Phenibut Powder

I recently took GHB and GBL for social interaction. I am very sensitive to a lot of drugs but never found benzos to do much other than promote sleep and reduce anxiety. I read that in mice Phenibut promotes social interaction. I also read that a beer + phenibut can lead to easy-flowing conversation and mood elevation.

My question to you guys is two-fold: Does phenibut truly elevate mood like GHB does (or at least to a degree)? And does phenibut (whether by itself or in combination with any other supplement or drug) induce disinhibition or motivation?

I know it is an anxiolytic, and I also know its long effects and hangovers, but I am looking for a substitute of G. I've studied up on this substance and time after time I've read that phenibut+beer is the closest sensation to G you'll find. I also hear L-theanine can boost this effect. Euphoria is not necessarily what I'm looking for - instead it is that "high on life" feeling and extra confidence.

Is there something I'm missing or am I on the right track? Is there anything more promising? I have several documents on how to convert readily made substances to GBL and I know a lot of chemists on the 'net trying to convert GABA (only foolproof method is when you die - enzymes in your blood convert GABA to GHB - I have the studies in PDF format if any are interested). Anyway, despite the prolonged effects and hangover I will give it a try. Any input is much appreciated!

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Absolutely. The first few days taking phenibut I was on cloud 9. I felt amazing, euphoric even, talking to people I didn't even know. Not only that but my motivation was enhanced because I had such improved "mental energy." The problem with phenibut is that tolerance develops very quickly. I still take a low-moderate dose everyday but the results are nowhere near what they were the first couple of days. However, I can still feel the subtle affects, it helps with anxiety and makes me more talkative and elevates mood. If I could only feel everyday like I did on those first few days of phenibut I would praise this stuff as the second coming.

it is good in the initial times, but like G, c'mon now
People are looking for things now to help with the tolerance issue. I will be trying something soon, and report back to yall the effects as they are seen (hopefully)

MAN, why oh why did they take "G" away from us? I have read a lot of reviews and posts, and none of them said that GABBA was anywhere near GHB. I read about the lethargic feeling in the mornings and lack of intensity. can anyone else compare this to GHB or reveal a new replacement that works just like "G"

Perhaps he meant phenibut+beer? I've read on Usenet that it is the best intoxicated feeling one could find, though I have no idea if the person reporting that had ever tried GHB+beer

I am starting to get emails, however, from people who take phenibut on a somewhat-regular basis who say it helps immensely with socialization, mood enhancement, etc... I also plan to collect a complete list of user reports concerning this substance and post them on Usenet to alt.drugs.ghb. I encourage anyone who has tried both G and phenibut to post their analysis here.

I run a research chemical group and have documentation on converting certain chemicals to GBL. Also, when we die, enzymes in our blood and urine convert GABA to GHB (documented in one of the many full-text PDFs I have on G research). Perhaps there is a chemical out there that can metabolize into GHB inside the body like GBL does, even if one cannot effectively make GHB with the chemical.

Anyway, hope to hear from you soon.

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This may not be a totally accurate answer to your question, but in my experience, phenibut's anti-anxiety effects are mood-elevating in themselves for me. Mood has never been a problem, but I do have problems with anxiety, and the frustrations from those will often piss me off.

Now, beer + phenibut is awesome. For some reason, if I drink while using phenibut, I'll feel mainly the phenibut and beer separately (drunk + extra anxiety relief)...but when I wake up the next morning, after 10-12 hours of the most awesome sleep ever, I'll have this really weird buzz. It's not incapacitating at all; in fact, I can think very clearly, concentrate, etc. but I'm still fucked up. I guess it's just like all the positive aspects of beer without the negatives.

In all, phenibut has become one of my favorite supplements ever.

Well, I like my own space. I'm an artist and home body at times but I strive for increased socialization. GHB brought me true mood elevation and disinhibition without the altered judgment that alcohol brought (alcohol just makes me more relaxed but just as lazy).... true, GHB never helped with creativity like other substances, but I already have the creativity down pat. Just looking for a chemical to get me to be active - go out to the beach (which I live right by), talk to strangers (especially beautiful women), and be comfortable giving speeches in my college classes. I've tried benzos but they don't motivate me to actually start conversations - I'm all about communication.

If anyone is interested joining my research chemical discussion group (several years in the making) please email me at FLjeffbeach@bellsouth.net. There are several chemists, laywers, and other professionals on there (roughly 300 members) , and even though they are geared toward psychedelics I hope to promote research in the GABA/GHB field to find a legal alternative or a chemical like GBL that can metabolize at least into GHB.

One of the most interesting things I found was that strawberries contain a GBL analogue (furanone as GBL is widely known) that possibly metabolize into a GHB analogue in the body - nice trivia but far from any actual experiments.

Being someone who suffers slightly from social anxiety disorder, OCD, and depression I think there is something we can do to promote research in this field, and I definitely look forward to giving phenibut a try.

This all sounds very interesting indeed. My use would certainly be of the more recreational variety.

Kow - can you tell me how much you take before going on the beers? Does it have a powerful taste?

Steaky, I capped it so I didn't have to taste it. However, when I DID taste it... It's pretty bad. Not as bad as piracetam or ALCAR (to me at least), but still pretty rough. I'd definitely recommend capping it.

I experimented with fairly high doses; the first time out, I took probably around 3g maybe 3-4 hours beforehand and another 2.4-3g just before we got to the place. That was probably too much, really. I'd recommend around 2-3g an hour or so beforehand.

Phenibut, IMO, is one of the closest substances to G I have ever taken. When the GBL ban took effect, a few companies came out with SOLAR WATER and Renewtrient II, etc. and they were completely useless.

I tried Phenibut a few weeks ago and, yeah, it's close. Especially the high does I was taking. Mood elevation, creativity, and sex drive, was very close to G. And this is a few days of beginning M1T.

I did have to stop usage and haven't taken it since because of my proneness to addiction and the hangover. With G there is no hangover, but Phenibut, I would wake up the next morning and still be buzzing. I can't do that with my job. So tried to just take it on weekends and even if I stopped on Saturday night, by Monday I still felt the effects.

I have read that tolerances built up, and I was actually waiting for a tolerance to it but it never happened. The one difference to G is that it did not induce a deep sleep for me. It helped me sleep well, but not a comatose-type of sleep like G used to.

So is it a good legal alternative? I would say definitely. I have never mixed it with alcohol because of abstaining from it due to my M1T cycle.

Has anyone who has taken it ever felt like their driving could be impaired?Technically, I would think you could be arrested for a DWAI but not for DUI alcohol. At least if you took a blood test, it would not show up. But what about testing for it like excessive level of GABA? Is that even possible? Just a thought.

to my knowledge, there is not even a test that can be done for GHB, even in an ER. Unfortunately, I have had to deal with this situation twice with a friend who took too much, and a girlfriend who was drugged at a new years party
Talk about angry, the doctor accused me of it after I had been balling my eyes out in the waiting room for 3 hours or so. I calmly picked him up with my hand around his throat (like the Predator on Arnold in the movie) and put him against the wall asking if he really thought I wanted to kill the girl I was going to marry........ He ran for the cops, nurses hid me, friend picked me up shortly after b4 I got caught. What a great story......

back to the point, they will not be able to test excessive levels of ghb, gbl, phen, gaba, etc...

Sounds like everyone likes the stuff, but there is still mention of Hangovers??? "G" never caused a hangover. Some are saying you have to drink beer with it. The whole purpose of the "G" was so you did not have to drink alcohol while on a cycle. What about the sexual advantages of "G"??? I could go all night and stay rock hard for hours with the "good stuff" It used to make you Superman, (but look out if you took too much. You would pass out before you got it goin.) I had a friend whose girlfriend left him but ass naked on the living room floor because he drank too much and passed out on her. His room mate came home and there he was on the sheet rock hard. She didn't even put a blanket on him.
What about working out. It would give me insane pumps if I drank it prior to a workout. The perfect coctail was a cap of "G" in a protien shake with a Thermodrine. Of course the right supplements were a big help as well.

Basically, there was sooooo much advantage to GHB that GABA does not produce.

Hopefully the research will prevail and we will have another genius develop a precursor we can use before it is taken away again.

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i took 4 caps of Relax-All (Phenibut+other thing) befor sleeping to promote sleep and well being .


This thing is my first experience with phenibut.
i have been under very heavy stresfull anxiety situation for 5 month till now i was unable to get restfull sleep.
This thing make sleep like a baby.

i found a great relife in the use phenibut+taurine.
My heart arythmia induced by long stressfull situation & EC stack has totaly gone.

i wake up and i feel relaxed all the day more than using ZMA+tribulus.

prety nice product. I hate anti-axyty drug because after a short use they fuck up my sleep.

depresion has gone i feel so good. use it and take ur life back !!

Hi Saber, did it increase motivation/disinhibition for you in any way? Or was it more like diazepam (which for me just relaxes me but doesn't make me wanna go out for walks, talk to people, etc.)

Thanks in advance.

no probleme to talk to pepoles . i never had probleme to talk to pepoles but u feel more confortable when talking to pepoles. tribulus has the same effect on me 4weeks on trib made my tits puffy so it will be wizer to stack it withe-form.

but whene studing in colllege i try to avoid phenibut . because i had to stay awake at 100% and phenibut make me slower.

testosterone and phenibut can make u more sociable for sure.

for me an increades testo is better . And phenibut az a benzo befor to sleep.

Hi all,

Interesting topic.

What I do not understand is that some of you say that you don't have a hangover from GBL.
I have it and when I take it for 12 hours in a row I sleep very light after 3 hours and sweat very much and the next day I feel a little unstable and my hart rate is up.

Is it just me?

I surely gonna give phenibut a try and post my experiences here.

Do I get troubles with custums when shipped to the Nederlands?

What do you mean 12 hours in a row? One sip of 1/2 an ounce every hour? I don't know how your brain could shut down and sleep after a binge like that. When I was hooked and couldn't sleep while on heavy G usage, I kept drinking it every hour to try to get knocked out and I finally threw up on it.

I think the lack of hangover from G is the fact of occasional use or for deep sleep, you don't have the grogginess in the morning and you feel refreshed. With Phenibut, I'd wake up in the morning and my head would still be buzzing, not good when you have to go to work. I'd be interested to find out what would be a good additive to prevent that.

I started another thread asking if Chocamine taken with Phenibut would have some kind of mellowing or balancing effect. I think I'll try it in the future just to see.

Could you snort Phenibut?

I whole heartedly agree with you. You cannot compare phenibut to GHB at all. G is as close to the perfect recreational drug as you can get in terms of the high, no toxicity, standalone w/o alcohol, increase in libido, and no hangover.

you can still get GHB legally at xyrem.com. yes, the pharms want a piece of the $pie$ Make it illegal so you can sell it legally?