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Posted by: 1Fast400 Feb 9 2004, 07:51 AM

Over the next 10 days I will let the consumer decide what transdermal Dermabolics comes out with next. You can look at our full list of ingredient and mix/match to create your own. Whichever one is voted most popular (a vote will take place after 7 days), will become the next product that is released. Assume the maximum amount of gramage per bottle is 7g.

Here are a list of items:

1,4 Andro Powder
1,4 Androdiol Power
1-Testosterone Cypionate Powder
1-Testosterone Powder
19-Nor Powder
19-Nordiol Cypionate Powder
3-Alpha Powder
3-Beta Powder
4-AD Cypionate Powder
4-AD Powder
4-OH-Testosterone Powder
7-OXO-DHEA Powder
Acetyl-L-Carnitine Powder
Androstenetrione Powder (6oxo)
Caffeine Anhydrous
DHEA Powder
DMAE Powder
Formestane Powder
Green Tea Powder
Guggulsterone Powder
Taurine Powder
Vitamin B-5 300

Posted by: shpongled Feb 9 2004, 08:18 AM

Is this assuming that the carrier will be changed if a more hydrophilic ingredient is chosen (such as caffeine)?

Anyway, to get the ball rolling, here are my thoughts on the possibilities....

ALCAR, caffeine, guggulsterones: Oral bioavailability is high enough as is
Taurine, B5, green tea: Not sure about these ones, but I don't really see a reason to go transdermal, considering the low price
DHEA, DMAE: I don't think these supplements are worth taking to begin with
Cypionates: Doubt they would have an advantage... assuming they are absorbed, longer half-life perhaps?
1,4-andros: I think this is an interesting possibility.. supposed to have high oral bioavailability, but people still seem to need high doses for an effect. I don't think anyone has tried this.
3-alpha/3-beta: I think these are better off in short acting formulas for pre-workout. I'm not too big on the DHT precursors.
4-OHT: Not worth the money, compared to other options, IMO
7-keto: Already has excellent feedback, for fat loss and post-cycle
6-OXO: Already has good feedback as well

My vote would be for one of these...

-7 g 7-OXO-DHEA
-7 g 6-OXO
-3.5 g 7-OXO-DHEA, 3.5 g 6-OXO

Posted by: 1Fast400 Feb 9 2004, 08:20 AM

Yes, we can always design a new carrier if there is enough demand for a given product.

Posted by: Sldgehmr Feb 9 2004, 02:47 PM

How about 7-oxo, green tea, yohimbine, alcar. Ill figure out doses later and add them to the post.

Also a formestane, 6-oxo and a small amount of 4-oht may work great as an overall anti e/ anti gyno gel.

Posted by: SonOfThor Feb 9 2004, 02:55 PM

How about :

5g 19Nor-diol, 2g 4OHT. Pricey, but low androgenic, decent anabolic. Safety stack?

Or cheap the above up a bit, since we have all that 4OHT and its anti-e properites:

2g 19nor-diol, 2.5g 19nor-dione, 2.5g 4OHT. A cheaper version of the above... ?

4.5G 7OXO, 2.5g 1T - Fatloss but musle retention. Or same but 5:2 ratio.

5g 4AD with 2g 4OHT. You could do a 4AD cycle with added anabolism and not have to worry as much about bloating/gyno. Stack with an oral (1-AD, m-dien, m1t, m1,4add) for kicks!

Do I get a free sample if mine gets picked??

Posted by: Sean1234 Feb 9 2004, 04:32 PM

edited out

Posted by: Sypher Feb 9 2004, 04:46 PM

Bulking

3g 4-AD

2g 1-Testosterone

2g 19-Nor

Cutting

4g 3-Alpha

3g 4-OH-Testosterone

I'm just pulling these out my ass I'm bored, don't flame me hehe

Posted by: coolmc71 Feb 10 2004, 03:08 PM

3 g of 6-oxo
3 g of 1-test
1 g of 3-alpha

maybe as a pre-vacation or pre summer hardening stack. Or something to keep lean muscle during heavy dieting?

Posted by: fornero Feb 10 2004, 03:11 PM

QUOTE

-3.5 g 7-OXO-DHEA, 3.5 g 6-OXO

Based on what I've read (at work, too lazy to go and double check on this), this would make a decent cutting stack-- promoting positive partitioning and raising natural test levels, no?

In any case, with FL-7 out of stock everywhere, I'd love to see another transfermal 7-keto.

Posted by: redeye Feb 12 2004, 12:48 PM

I would like to see a nice post cycle recovery transdermal. This is one that I have made and used twice and my friends have all used with great success. Really recover fast and little to no fat gain post cycle. Also It seems to give me a feeling of well being that I normaly dont get after a strong ph/ps cycle (but then maybe it's just me).

3,6,17-androstenetrione 2.5 g = 16.67mg/pump and 66.68mg/4 pumps
7-OXO-DHEA 3.75 g = 25mg/pump and 100mg/4 pumps
Yohimbine .75 g = 5mg/pump and 20mg/ 4 pumps

Use this twice per day at 4 pumps per application.

Posted by: rlh006 Feb 14 2004, 03:08 PM

how about

overall
1-Testosterone Cypionate or 1-Testosterone
1,4 Andro Powder, dione instead of diol
4-AD Cypionate or 4-AD

bulking
1,4 Andro Powder, dione instead of diol
4-AD Cypionate or 4-AD

Posted by: DAdams Feb 15 2004, 02:52 PM

QUOTE (redeye @ Feb 12 2004, 12:48 PM)

I think this one is a great idea myself.

Posted by: Loki Feb 15 2004, 03:13 PM

I think an "Anabolic Augmentation"-style Transdermal would be pretty damn cool, something like:

3g - 7-OXO-DHEA
3g - 4-OHT

And then-- assuming you could work out the carrier specifics, I don't know if this would even be possible-- make up the difference & go up to the saturation point with Pantothenic Acid.

To be honest, I think this would be a pretty bad-ass formula if you could do it, giving you thyroid optimization, enhanced libido, selective aromatase inhibition, and bolstered anabolism, all while the B-5 is combatting the acne just about everyone experiences when using androgenic AASs/PSs/PHs. I just don't know how you'd deliver the B-5 along with the hormones, but that ain't my job-- I just recommend the stuff!!!

Posted by: prolangtum Feb 16 2004, 01:19 AM

I like the 6-OXO + 7 oxo dhea idea for PC

Posted by: Sldgehmr Feb 16 2004, 02:55 PM

You could actually go both ways with it, 6-oxo and 7-oxo PCT and you could use 7-oxo and formestane for cortisol and estrogen control while on cycle. I dont know if ALCAR will go through the skin easily or not but you could add that as well, although you wouldnt be able to use it at night.

Posted by: thelast10 Feb 16 2004, 03:25 PM

7-oxo,yohimbine,alcar

Posted by: charles gubser Feb 17 2004, 08:45 AM

I'm liking the Systenhance 1test 4ad mix, add some caffiene to counteract the immediate lethargy and you've got a winner

Posted by: BFC Feb 20 2004, 07:22 PM

QUOTE (redeye @ Feb 12 2004, 12:48 PM)

What is 3,6,17-androstenetrione, I don't see that in the list?

I think a good post recovery trans would be awesome. The anti-e is good during a cycle but post cycle with 6oxo and some others for restarting natural test production. I think the Yohimbine would limit this for many people and you could not take it at night if it was in a prohormone transdermal that is designed to go into the blood.

Posted by: shpongled Feb 21 2004, 11:18 PM

QUOTE (BFC @ Feb 20 2004, 07:22 PM)

QUOTE (redeye @ Feb 12 2004, 12:48 PM)

3,6,17-androstenetrione = antrostenetrione = 6-OXO

I agree, about the yohimbine transdermal - it could only be used in the morning

Posted by: prolangtum Feb 22 2004, 01:18 AM

I see no need for yohimbine in a PC dermal, 6-OXO and 7 OXO DHEA is fine

Posted by: PumpingBricks Feb 22 2004, 07:03 PM

This just occured to me......... Does Mike own DermaBolics?

Posted by: lovetoeat Feb 22 2004, 09:18 PM

QUOTE (PumpingBricks @ Feb 22 2004, 07:03 PM)

This just occured to me......... Does Mike own DermaBolics?

That is correct.

Posted by: Greg Reese Apr 7 2004, 11:27 AM

4-AD and 4-OHT.

Posted by: kwyckemynd00 Apr 12 2004, 06:00 PM

Definately a PCT Transdermal. I'll leave the dosages up to the expert. Even something as simple as 6g Androstenetrione would be GREAT! Then I could life off of DermaBolics completely!

EDIT: I just re-read the post and saw the Feb, 9th Date and the "over the next 10 days statement". LOL. So anyway, did I miss the results somewhere? Would anyone mind passing them on to me?

I don't know if this is the proper place to request, but since we're talking about the Transport Matrix, etc. is there ever going to be an 8oz or bulk deal? Because right now, IMO, the powder's arent' economical because the matrix by itself is as much as the S1+, Big1, 4Derm, etc.

Posted by: shpongled Apr 13 2004, 10:13 PM

I think this is on hold until more is known about the PH ban

Bulk transport matrix does seem like a good idea.

Posted by: Corey Kelly Apr 17 2004, 11:48 PM

4 grm 1-Test cypionate
3grm 4-AD cypionate

Used this once, spendy is the biggest problem.

Posted by: kirk Apr 22 2004, 10:26 PM

I suggest going to the horse grooming store and purchasing DMSO 99.8% pure and measure what you want. Mix with small amount of DMSO-half glass dropper ful in a table spoon (slightly heat to dissolve) and apply to area on the front of leg. Allow a few minutes for the substance to penetrate skin and add more DMSO to help transport the substances all the way though the skin. Don't use to much DMSO you'll smell like you eat to much garlic. Chow!!!!!! pompinero

Posted by: Ronn Apr 22 2004, 11:46 PM

I made a batch of 6OXO (3.5 G) and 7-keto (3.5 g) for my current PTC, and it's working GREAT! And Bump on the bulk transport matrix!

Posted by: kirk Apr 27 2004, 12:07 AM

Anybody that know's anything will agree the cypionates would be the best transidermal application until they come out with the undecanate's (baby powder). The cypionate (cyclopentylpropionate) substituted 17-alpha will have a longer half-life. Androstenetrione will keep the the 1,4 AD cypionate to aramitizing to 1,4,6 AD cypionate (estrodiol cypionate) unless you are designing it for your 65 year old grandmother with a goider and hisarecimy.

[B]combinational hormonal mixture:[/B]
7/4 gr. 1-testosterone cypionate(for androgenic properties)

7/4 gr. 19-Nordiol cypionate (Norbolendiol cypionate-anabolic)
7/4 gr. 4-AD cypionate (bolendiol cypionate)

7/4 gr. Androstenetrione (reduce aramitization of bolendiol's and test's))

Kirkadoodledoo

Posted by: CYPHON Apr 27 2004, 12:31 AM

I like the idea of being able to purchase a bulk transport matrix. im in for that.

Posted by: GreenMonster Apr 30 2004, 08:27 PM

Yo What's up? 1,4 Andro is better taken orally,so I think this should be out of the question. I assume we're going for a prohormone stack, so caffeine and so on should also be out. And the cypionates are for injections aren't they? So I'm saying for great gains we go with 3 Grams of 1 Test, with 3 grams of 4AD and perhaps some 19nor. Can we put methy 1 Test in here I forget if it was on the list. If so bump out that 19nor and add 1-2 grams of m1T I'm not even sure if the 19nor should be there anyway I have to research more and edit this.

1test and 4AD is def. the best bulk

OH now that I think about it, aren't cyclo's real good for quick absorption or something? I don't know much about them, but if they're as good as I think they're supposed to be let's throw some cyclo in with our 1Test 4AD.

eh and why not throw in a tiny bit of caffeine for a little more energy before a lift.

Posted by: eragon May 14 2004, 08:54 AM

6-OXO, 7-OXO, 1,4 Andro

Posted by: David19562 May 14 2004, 09:20 AM

What happened to this? Killed b/c of the upcoming ban?

If so, I dont think 6-oxo or 7-oxo are on the ban list. How about a nice PCT like suggested?

Posted by: beefcake May 14 2004, 10:30 AM

QUOTE (David19562 @ May 14 2004, 09:20 AM)

What happened to this? Killed b/c of the upcoming ban?

If so, I dont think 6-oxo or 7-oxo are on the ban list. How about a nice PCT like suggested?

What good is PCT if no one will be using PH's. Might as well make a transdermal creatine or whey protein or something.

Posted by: David19562 May 14 2004, 12:38 PM

it can still be used for a cutting tool w/o being used as PCT. 6-oxo would raise natural test levels slightly, bringing with it a more anabolic environment in which muscle is spared/made and fat burnt. 7-oxo would burn fat like normal.

not a bad idea, use it for PCT if you got stuff left over.

when the ban goes into effect, people are gonna stock up on shit, just you watch. there will definately be demand for something like this way after the ban, as people's stockpiles need PCT, since PCT substances arent banned. PCT not being banned means more money to spend on stockpiles of androgens, and then pick up PCT later.

just my 2cents

Posted by: Luke Tucker May 14 2004, 03:40 PM

3.5g 1-test
3.5g 1,4 AD

Posted by: Saber41194 Oct 7 2004, 11:11 AM

what about a this transdermal:
3g of 6-oxo
3g of 7-OXO-DHEA Powder

stacked with vitrix tribulus and bulk ZMA & Pro-LIVER will make a safe whay to get a lot of strength for a beginer like me. Adding some L-arginine a precusore to your natural creatine. this will sky-rocket ur well being

To make long things short you will hardly find the key formula that many users want to have. Since every users have differents needs. It will be wizer to have a good cheap bulck transport Matrix or gel or I will love to see a bulk 7-OXO-DHEA skin path on my left back. and a 6-oxo on my right back.

i will also love to try cafeine+taurine transdermal on local fat zone. Since it wont screw up my globale electrolytes

Posted by: Jon44806 Oct 13 2004, 05:49 PM

I vote for a transdermal with 6 grams of testosterone OH in a carrier like eform

Posted by: sdf42450 Oct 13 2004, 06:06 PM

a combo of 5g 4-OHT + 5g 4-OHNandrolone maybe throw in 2g 4-AD

(and sell some of the 4-OHN powder on the side as well)

Posted by: kimboinatl Oct 14 2004, 05:45 PM

A combo of 7-OXO, 4AD and Formestane would be nice. Dunno if Mike is still thinking about selling combos what with the ban and all, though.

Posted by: RevLloydCarroll Oct 15 2004, 07:05 AM

QUOTE (shpongled @ Apr 13 2004, 10:13 PM)

I think this is on hold until more is known about the PH ban

Bulk transport matrix does seem like a good idea.

Amen! lol.

Specially when the transport matrix is $24.99 and 7-cort is $19.99 and Metacort is $29.99.

Might as well just buy the 7-cort or metacort.

Posted by: RevLloydCarroll Oct 15 2004, 07:11 AM

Also, to the 1fast400 guys, Mike and all.

What about a transdermal geared more away from PH/PS and towards carrying other substances such as what Avant labs uses for the absolved and Lipoderm, EXCEPT, that would NOT be local delivery.

Maybe I'm wrong but it's my understanding that the Dermobolics Transdermal is for PH/PS only. Correct?

So, something for non-PH/PS that's not local delivery (not sure how to word that).

Posted by: ShadowJack Oct 15 2004, 08:51 AM

QUOTE (RevLloydCarroll @ Oct 15 2004, 06:11 AM)

Maybe I'm wrong but it's my understanding that the Dermobolics Transdermal is for PH/PS only. Correct?

Not entirely correct.

Transport Matrix is designed for systemic delivery of lipophillic actives. PH's are lipophillic, as are many other substances (nolvadex, sesamin, T3, androstenetrione - all come to mind).

The topical formula utilized in Lipoderm-Y is designed for site-specific distribution of hydrophillic actives (Y-HCL, caffeine, etc.)

The topical formula utilized in AB-Solved is designed for site-specific distribution of lipophillic actives.

So if you are looking for systemic delivery of a lipophillic active, then the Dermabolics Transport Matrix is already designed for that.

Posted by: James29931 Oct 22 2004, 07:42 AM

QUOTE (ShadowJack @ Oct 15 2004, 08:51 AM)

QUOTE (RevLloydCarroll @ Oct 15 2004, 06:11 AM)

Maybe I'm wrong but it's my understanding that the Dermobolics Transdermal is for PH/PS only. Correct?

Would TD Nolva be more efficiant that oral? And what dosages would you suggest?

Posted by: dafranca Nov 8 2004, 11:41 AM

3g 6-OXO
3g 7-OXO
1g Acetyl-L-Carnitine Powder

Posted by: bomb_r2 Dec 31 2005, 12:45 AM

2g Yohimbine
3g 7oxo
2g of formestane or ATD
Is there a way to make CLA Transdermal To My understanding CLA helps contain fat cells from getting bigger It would be a great fat loss product

Posted by: NikZ Dec 31 2005, 12:53 AM

QUOTE (bomb_r2 @ Dec 31 2005, 12:45 AM)

2g Yohimbine
3g 7oxo
2g of formestane or ATD
Is there a way to make CLA Transdermal To My understanding CLA helps contain fat cells from getting bigger It would be a great fat loss product

please reference the thread date before you post.

Posted by: bomb_r2 Dec 31 2005, 12:54 AM

I thought Id keep it going

Seeing as how Dermabolics hasnt come out with alot of transdermals lately I thought id help them out this thread just got Lost there is still interest in it

Posted by: bomb_r2 Dec 31 2005, 01:21 AM

How Bout a Boner Bottle
2g Yohimbine HCL
1g ephedrine
3g 6oxo
1g Long Jack

That is of course if if those products can be made intro transdermal
Id personally Like to see
2.5 g 7oxo
2.5 g CLA
1g Green tea
1g Caffeine

Posted by: Steve Avila Jan 2 2006, 10:09 AM

DHEA or DHEA/7OXO. These are staples ofmost people's PCT. I love using DHEA TD since it has a slow release that way.

Posted by: bomb_r2 Jan 7 2006, 06:40 PM

QUOTE (Steve Avila @ Jan 2 2006, 10:09 AM)

DHEA or DHEA/7OXO. These are staples ofmost people's PCT. I love using DHEA TD since it has a slow release that way.

Id say 2.8g 7oxo,4.8g guggulstrones for fat loss transdermal can be used during pct cause guggul effects alot of things such as thyroid and cholesterol