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shpongled
  Posted: Mar 9 2004, 11:12 AM
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Nutrex Lipo 6 EF, 4 capsules
Prolab Cuts II, 4 tablets
Now Green Tea Extract, 4 capsules
Now Guggul Extract, 5 capsules

This is expensive, about $70 a month. However it contains all the right ingredients in the right amounts:

Synephrine: 40 mg
Yohimbine: 10 mg
Caffeine: 400 mg
Forskolin: 40 mg
Bioperine: 10 mg
EGCG: 280 mg
L-carnitine: 1.3 g
Choline: 1 g
Lecithin: 1 g
E/Z Guggulsterones: 95 mg

For less capsules and more ingredients at the same price the green tea extract can be replaced with 1 capsule Optimum Lean Tea Complex and the guggul extract with 2 capsules Ergopharm Ergolean MC, but both of these options will also increase the caffeine content by 150 mg each. To save money the first ingredient I would get rid of is the guggul (which is about $25 a month).

Some possible additions:
1Fast400 yohimbine HCl: 1-4 caps
Now L-tyrosine: 1-4 caps
Now Super EPA: 3-4 caps


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Andrew Jenkins
Posted: Mar 9 2004, 03:03 PM
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Sounds good, but how well does Lipo 6 compare to SAN Tight! ?
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Posted: Mar 9 2004, 04:12 PM
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Why inculde both Choline and Lecthin, To save money wouldn't it be more cost effective to use Lecthin. I always found Lecthin worked better than choline when I stack it with Priactem for example. Not trying to flame just interested in your answer.
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Posted: Mar 9 2004, 06:37 PM
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I can tolerate 15-20mgs of Y-HCL fairly easy, but I know some who can barely tolerate 2-3. Be careful.


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Posted: Mar 10 2004, 02:51 AM
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shpongled,
would this stack be taken once a day, multiple times each day, or would it be split up throughout the day?
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Posted: Mar 10 2004, 06:33 AM
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Would you make any changes to this stack if a female was to take it?

Any chance of making it a stack and doing a special price for buying it all at once?
(Would help convince my gf to buy it for both of us LOL)
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Posted: Mar 10 2004, 08:06 AM
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QUOTE (prolangtum @ Mar 9 2004, 07:37 PM)
I can tolerate 15-20mgs of Y-HCL fairly easy, but I know some who can barely tolerate 2-3. Be careful.

I took 15-17.5mg of Y-HCL for +2 weeks with E and C, and it pretty much did nothing for me. Dieting of course. No difference in fat loss with or without oral Y-HCL.


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Posted: Mar 10 2004, 09:38 AM
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So...
Where's the Ephedrine?

Also, aren't Guggulbolic Extreme and the Omega 3 (FA caps) more cost-efficient?
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Posted: Mar 10 2004, 10:37 AM
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Andrew, both are pretty good. I'd say that Lipo-6 would be a little better than Tight, but really both are very good ephedra-free formulas.

power, you'd split it up, 2-4 times throughout the day.

Kaner, adding E HCl would be a pretty good addition. I think David didn't include it because some are opposed to ephedrine use, and he also figured that if a person wanted to include it, he could just add some VasoPro.



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Posted: Mar 10 2004, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE (Andrew Jenkins @ Mar 9 2004, 03:03 PM)
Sounds good, but how well does Lipo 6 compare to SAN Tight! ?

A lot better IMO. I am not really a fan of propriety blends, but especially when none of the ingredients are really unique, or if they are stimulants.


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Posted: Mar 10 2004, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE (crazylegs @ Mar 9 2004, 04:12 PM)
Why inculde both Choline and Lecthin, To save money wouldn't it be more cost effective to use Lecthin. I always found Lecthin worked better than choline when I stack it with Priactem for example. Not trying to flame just interested in your answer.

The Prolab product contains both. 1 gram of lecithin really isn't going to do much. But the gram of choline is enough, and is more than the amount used in the l-carnitine+choline fat loss clinical trial.


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Posted: Mar 10 2004, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE (powergrudge @ Mar 10 2004, 02:51 AM)
shpongled,
would this stack be taken once a day, multiple times each day, or would it be split up throughout the day?

I would split the Lipo 6 up between 2-3 doses during the day but avoid it before bed. The others split throughout the day. I would be taking some pills at least three times daily.

Example:

Morning:
2 Lipo 6
2 Prolab Cuts II
2 Green tea capsules
2 Guggul extract capsules

Afternoon or pre-workout:
2 Lipo 6
2 Green tea capsules
2 Guggul extract capsules

Before bed:
2 Prolab Cuts II
1 Guggul extract capsule


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Posted: Mar 10 2004, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE (stephen @ Mar 10 2004, 06:33 AM)
Would you make any changes to this stack if a female was to take it?

Any chance of making it a stack and doing a special price for buying it all at once?
(Would help convince my gf to buy it for both of us LOL)

Yes, if less than 150 lbs you would want to lower the dosages.


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Posted: Mar 10 2004, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE (Kaner @ Mar 10 2004, 09:38 AM)
So...
Where's the Ephedrine?

Also, aren't Guggulbolic Extreme and the Omega 3 (FA caps) more cost-efficient?

Well there are already a lot of stimulants. Ephedrine could be added in if you can tolerate it. However it may have a negative reaction with yohimbine. I personally don't recommend combining the two.

For the cost-efficiency you are right on both counts, you could save money that way.


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Posted: Mar 11 2004, 09:21 AM
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for these to really work you would have to be on a cut , right???
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Posted: Mar 11 2004, 09:36 AM
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Negative reaction with Yohimbine?...
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Posted: Mar 11 2004, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE (Crum @ Mar 11 2004, 09:21 AM)
for these to really work you would have to be on a cut , right???

Kind of. To lose significant amounts of fat with or without supplements you have to be on a cut, yes. Some of these substances will still cause a preferential increase/sparing of lean mass over fat though which can be beneficial under any circumstance.


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Posted: Mar 11 2004, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE (Kaner @ Mar 11 2004, 09:36 AM)
Negative reaction with Yohimbine?...

Check out my yohimbine article. Last paragraph I believe. A lot of people have contested me on this but I stand by it. But people should do whatever they think will work best.


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Posted: Mar 11 2004, 02:19 PM
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BTW I just noticed we have a 240 cap version of Cuts II in. This along with using 3 caps guggulbolic xtreme for the guggul both make the stack cheaper.


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Posted: Apr 14 2004, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE (shpongled @ Mar 11 2004, 02:16 PM)
QUOTE (Kaner @ Mar 11 2004, 09:36 AM)
Negative reaction with Yohimbine?...

Check out my yohimbine article. Last paragraph I believe. A lot of people have contested me on this but I stand by it. But people should do whatever they think will work best.

shpongled,

i understand your reasoning behind avoiding E and Y together, but if each ingredient were kept to a certain amount would it still be a problem? the reason i ask is that i like the idea of stacking E-HCL with most of the ingredients in lipo-6 ef, but i'm unsure of whether 3-9mg of Y would be enough to have a negative effect when stacked with 75mg of E (of course it would be spread out over 3 doses.) would it just be better to find all of the ingredients from lipo-6 in other forms/products?
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