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| shpongled |
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Guru Group: Members Posts: 2078 Member No.: 8400 Joined: 26-September 03 |
Nutrex Lipo 6 EF, 4 capsules
Prolab Cuts II, 4 tablets Now Green Tea Extract, 4 capsules Now Guggul Extract, 5 capsules This is expensive, about $70 a month. However it contains all the right ingredients in the right amounts: Synephrine: 40 mg Yohimbine: 10 mg Caffeine: 400 mg Forskolin: 40 mg Bioperine: 10 mg EGCG: 280 mg L-carnitine: 1.3 g Choline: 1 g Lecithin: 1 g E/Z Guggulsterones: 95 mg For less capsules and more ingredients at the same price the green tea extract can be replaced with 1 capsule Optimum Lean Tea Complex and the guggul extract with 2 capsules Ergopharm Ergolean MC, but both of these options will also increase the caffeine content by 150 mg each. To save money the first ingredient I would get rid of is the guggul (which is about $25 a month). Some possible additions: 1Fast400 yohimbine HCl: 1-4 caps Now L-tyrosine: 1-4 caps Now Super EPA: 3-4 caps -------------------- David Tolson
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| Andrew Jenkins |
Posted: Mar 9 2004, 03:03 PM
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| crazylegs |
Posted: Mar 9 2004, 04:12 PM
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| prolangtum |
Posted: Mar 9 2004, 06:37 PM
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I can tolerate 15-20mgs of Y-HCL fairly easy, but I know some who can barely tolerate 2-3. Be careful.
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| powergrudge |
Posted: Mar 10 2004, 02:51 AM
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prematurely bitter Group: Advanced Members Posts: 95 Member No.: 17629 Joined: 10-February 04 |
shpongled,
would this stack be taken once a day, multiple times each day, or would it be split up throughout the day? |
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| stephen |
Posted: Mar 10 2004, 06:33 AM
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Would you make any changes to this stack if a female was to take it?
Any chance of making it a stack and doing a special price for buying it all at once? (Would help convince my gf to buy it for both of us LOL) |
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| Bachovas |
Posted: Mar 10 2004, 08:06 AM
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I took 15-17.5mg of Y-HCL for +2 weeks with E and C, and it pretty much did nothing for me. Dieting of course. No difference in fat loss with or without oral Y-HCL. -------------------- "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing." - Socrates -
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| Kaner |
Posted: Mar 10 2004, 09:38 AM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 144 Member No.: 8024 Joined: 16-September 03 |
So...
Where's the Ephedrine? Also, aren't Guggulbolic Extreme and the Omega 3 (FA caps) more cost-efficient? |
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| Kow |
Posted: Mar 10 2004, 10:37 AM
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Mood Group: Advanced Members Posts: 796 Member No.: 1932 Joined: 3-February 03 |
Andrew, both are pretty good. I'd say that Lipo-6 would be a little better than Tight, but really both are very good ephedra-free formulas.
power, you'd split it up, 2-4 times throughout the day. Kaner, adding E HCl would be a pretty good addition. I think David didn't include it because some are opposed to ephedrine use, and he also figured that if a person wanted to include it, he could just add some VasoPro. -------------------- "I don't like people who take drugs...Customs men, for example." - Mitch Miller
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| shpongled |
Posted: Mar 10 2004, 02:08 PM
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Guru Group: Members Posts: 2078 Member No.: 8400 Joined: 26-September 03 |
A lot better IMO. I am not really a fan of propriety blends, but especially when none of the ingredients are really unique, or if they are stimulants. -------------------- David Tolson
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| shpongled |
Posted: Mar 10 2004, 02:11 PM
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Guru Group: Members Posts: 2078 Member No.: 8400 Joined: 26-September 03 |
The Prolab product contains both. 1 gram of lecithin really isn't going to do much. But the gram of choline is enough, and is more than the amount used in the l-carnitine+choline fat loss clinical trial. -------------------- David Tolson
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| shpongled |
Posted: Mar 10 2004, 02:19 PM
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Guru Group: Members Posts: 2078 Member No.: 8400 Joined: 26-September 03 |
I would split the Lipo 6 up between 2-3 doses during the day but avoid it before bed. The others split throughout the day. I would be taking some pills at least three times daily. Example: Morning: 2 Lipo 6 2 Prolab Cuts II 2 Green tea capsules 2 Guggul extract capsules Afternoon or pre-workout: 2 Lipo 6 2 Green tea capsules 2 Guggul extract capsules Before bed: 2 Prolab Cuts II 1 Guggul extract capsule -------------------- David Tolson
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| shpongled |
Posted: Mar 10 2004, 02:21 PM
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Guru Group: Members Posts: 2078 Member No.: 8400 Joined: 26-September 03 |
Yes, if less than 150 lbs you would want to lower the dosages. -------------------- David Tolson
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| shpongled |
Posted: Mar 10 2004, 02:26 PM
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Guru Group: Members Posts: 2078 Member No.: 8400 Joined: 26-September 03 |
Well there are already a lot of stimulants. Ephedrine could be added in if you can tolerate it. However it may have a negative reaction with yohimbine. I personally don't recommend combining the two. For the cost-efficiency you are right on both counts, you could save money that way. -------------------- David Tolson
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| Crum |
Posted: Mar 11 2004, 09:21 AM
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for these to really work you would have to be on a cut , right???
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| Kaner |
Posted: Mar 11 2004, 09:36 AM
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Member Group: Advanced Members Posts: 144 Member No.: 8024 Joined: 16-September 03 |
Negative reaction with Yohimbine?...
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| shpongled |
Posted: Mar 11 2004, 02:13 PM
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Guru Group: Members Posts: 2078 Member No.: 8400 Joined: 26-September 03 |
Kind of. To lose significant amounts of fat with or without supplements you have to be on a cut, yes. Some of these substances will still cause a preferential increase/sparing of lean mass over fat though which can be beneficial under any circumstance. -------------------- David Tolson
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| shpongled |
Posted: Mar 11 2004, 02:16 PM
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Guru Group: Members Posts: 2078 Member No.: 8400 Joined: 26-September 03 |
Check out my yohimbine article. Last paragraph I believe. A lot of people have contested me on this but I stand by it. But people should do whatever they think will work best. -------------------- David Tolson
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| shpongled |
Posted: Mar 11 2004, 02:19 PM
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Guru Group: Members Posts: 2078 Member No.: 8400 Joined: 26-September 03 |
BTW I just noticed we have a 240 cap version of Cuts II in. This along with using 3 caps guggulbolic xtreme for the guggul both make the stack cheaper.
-------------------- David Tolson
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| powergrudge |
Posted: Apr 14 2004, 08:02 PM
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prematurely bitter Group: Advanced Members Posts: 95 Member No.: 17629 Joined: 10-February 04 |
shpongled, i understand your reasoning behind avoiding E and Y together, but if each ingredient were kept to a certain amount would it still be a problem? the reason i ask is that i like the idea of stacking E-HCL with most of the ingredients in lipo-6 ef, but i'm unsure of whether 3-9mg of Y would be enough to have a negative effect when stacked with 75mg of E (of course it would be spread out over 3 doses.) would it just be better to find all of the ingredients from lipo-6 in other forms/products? |
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