I've done a lot of searching on pulse dosing. Mostly what I found were proposed techniques and little on how it actually worked out. I also havn't seen any real recent discussions on it. Anyways, I'd like to run a pulse of Mdrol and wanted to see if anyone has fine-tuned a cycle for pulsing mdrol. I've ran a straight up cycle before and the worst of it was shutdown and pumps. I'm hoping to avoid the shut down and reduce the pumps. The pumps weren't too bad until week 4 at 30mg/day. I also found week 4 to be pointless and realize I should've stopped at 3 weeks. Overall I was happy with the results. I was able to keep 10 lbs. from that cycle. I wanna use my last bottle of Mdrol then looking to run some 3AD down the road. I'm 5' 11" 180#'s been working out on and off for 6 years. My last cycle for PCT I ran nolva at 40/30/20/20 and started novedex xt on the 2nd week 3ed/4ed/3ed/2ed for 4 weeks. It took about 3 weeks for my libido to return to normal.

Thanks in advance for your advice.

I would not pulse M drol... but thats just me.

From what I've read, ppl. love sd for pulsing, as it has much less sides than running it straight. I'd say epistane is the most popular compound for pulsing, but sd/m-drol, etc. is probably second.

I've seen a lot of guys recommend dosing it before bed, as the best time for a single dose. I forget the reasoning, but Dr. D, who first proposed the idea of the pulsing method, recommonded taking it that way.

There's a very long thread on AM called "How to pulse orals", which will answer all the questions you might have about it. it's a really long read, but extremely informative. Lots of questions and answers, examples and opinions from personal experiences, etc. Check it out.

Josh, could you copy that post and make a thread here for our members?

I know what post you're talking about, but not everyone has an AM handle.

Just reference it with the OP's name.

I have not pulsed sd but if I was going to I would dose it pre-wo and on off days run some PCS or Stoked best of luck bro

That's probably a good idea. Here's the link the the BN thread I just started. It links you straight to the original posting. You'll be glad you took the time to read through it all.


http://forums.bulknutrition.com/?act=ST&f=19&t=43624

So whats the down side of pulsing... I mean doesnt it seem too good to be true? my friend and i were talking about it and he brought up a valid point. The reason you take anabolics at the same time every day is to keep your body in homeostasis as far as the chemical aspect goes. Taking these compounds just "pre-wo" and "post-wo," which could be any time of the day, is abnormal enough to your body. On top of that you are only taking it every other day which would also not constitute homeostasis. I mean yeah its like getting the first dose 3 times a week but how does the body react?

I'm not saying this method is bull shit or anything because this is the first time I've looked into it. I'm just wondering if anyone can explain to me how the body reacts to something that is so inconsistent.

The point behind pulsing is to avoid suppression and sides as much as possible, while still making steady, if not quite as dramatic gains. It's a given that you're not going to gain as much as fast as when running a standard cycle.

The advantage is that you're still going to gain more and faster than during normal training periods and you're getting the short term benefits of the compound only when you need it (at workouts), while allowing the body to "bounce back" during off days.

This allows you to stay "on" for a lot longer period of time, getting slower, but steadier/easier to maintain gains. There's more to it than that, of course, which is why it's good to read through the thread and check out all the questions ppl. have asked, answers they've gotten, etc. I did a pulse last fall and liked it a lot.

You guys rock! I haven't had a chance to thoroughly go through your linked info, but I will shortly. I actually think this is the best route for me. I think I'd rather have steady slow gains than fast ones that end with a lot of sides. I feel you gotta really fight through PCT to keep your gains. It seems like it will be easier to run a longer cycle and do a milder PCT. I believe it will be easier to keep the gains, keep my libido and keep a more positive attitude through on cycle and PCT. Once I get done researching this, I"ll post my plans and the results afterwards. Lookin forward to this and hopefully doin 3AD before the end of the year.

what i would do if i were you would be run it as a bridge with an epi clone. you could run that for 5 weeks and would get huge.

Exactly my point. Good luck with your cycle.

i understand that aspect of pulsing but my true question is "how does a pulse cycle make the body react chemically?" It is very inconsistent and while it may help most of the typical sides what is going on internally? It seems to me like its just a way of confusing the body because its chemistry would be all over the place every day. The consistency of a normal cycle is different because the body is able to balance the compound throughout the cycle by the shrinking of testes and increased estrogen and it becomes accustomed to the compound being present for that month. With pulsing it isnt sure if youre cycling or not... make any sense?

anyone have any insight?

One way to look at it is that no oral cycle is going to be all that consistant, as far as maintaining steady levels of the compound in your blood. Unless you know the half life of the product you're using and are able to dose it at the right times, so as to keep the compound peaked in your bloodstream, it's going to be very hard to maintain those levels (hence confusing the body).

Another thing to consider is that w/ the example of something like sd, a lot of guys may not want to go over 10 mg. present in one dose, due to having a low tolerance to the sides they'd encounter using 20 mg. Even if they took that one dose consistantly every day, there's not a 24 hr. half life to maintaintain blood levels. Again, you'd be confusing your body.

As you can see, pretty much any oral cycle os going to lead to fluctuating blood levels of hormones. There's really no way to escape that. In the pre-ban days, you could just run transdermals and ensure 12 hr. sustained delivery of your compound. It was easy enough to just dose every 12 hrs, and you'd have 24/7 delivery and constantly elevated levels. Those compounds (4-ad, 1-test, etc) also weren't methylated, so there wasn't nearly the concern w/ harsh sides and health risks that there are w/ the current generation of compounds.

The fact that our reality has changed caused ppl. to get creative w/ dosing protocols to maximize gains while minimizing risks. This is the way the pulsing method came about. Again, I'd suggest reading the threat and most, if not all your questions will have already been answered there. You'll probably even see many things discussed that you hadn't thought of, yourself.

alright josh that makes sense to me... ill def have to read through that thread completely as to gain some quality knowledge on pulsing.

it's a pretty simple theory really i think... i mean when you run a continuous oral cycle, by the second week your completely shut down and relying on the oral as the only source of androgens in the body

when you pulse, you keep you natural test levels up, while also adding in exogenous androgens a few days per week... so yeah your body may be fighting the fluctations in hormone levels, but your dosing less often so the body can at least partially return to homeostasis by the time your ready to dose again

I'v never actually ran a pulse, but may still consider it since many seem to like it

ive read sumone that commented that he looks @pulsing is how u do a cycle right. I agree if ur patient less sides &harm if ur inpatient more sides more harm

all this work for maybe 2lbs of actual muscle on these orals

i also forgot to add that more muscle can be obtained since the cycle is stretch over a longer period of time. Results r jus not dramatic it takes time &patients

2lbs !?! if ur only getting 2lbs of actual muscle off a oral cycle, ur shit is way off... u shud be able 2 get 2lbs naturally with only proper nutrient and training.

That's my point. All that weight gain from orals is water and glycogen.

No one gains 5-10lbs of solid muscle in 3-4 weeks.

And for the sides involved and the cost of all of that shit it's not even worth it.