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Posted: Sep 3 2008, 05:21 PM
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I disagree with...

Republicans on:

religion (far right weirdos)
abortion (which probably stems from religion)
pro-corp (exporting labor, etc.)

Democrats on:

well-fare
taxes
gun control
education
energy


And I love the new buzzword "disadvantaged". Fuck me.


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Posted: Sep 3 2008, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE (ShakesAllDay @ Sep 3 2008, 05:12 PM)
Also, I'm a strong proponent for states' rights.

I hear ya on that one. We need to be "united" for the sake of our cohesive sovereignty, but what works for one state might not for another. Maybe people in Wyoming need more access to different guns because of the hunting culture up there. That doesn't mean sweeping legislation that encompasses the entire nation is the answer, because in San Diego, I can't imagine there's much to hunt.

Just one example, but I know what you mean on giving each state some flexibility to set a slightly different agenda or have their own identity.


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Posted: Sep 3 2008, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE (ShakesAllDay @ Sep 3 2008, 05:12 PM)
Who's to say that being 225 and muscular vs. 225 and 20% BF is worse?

The surgeon general for one.


http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/topics/obesi...onsequences.htm


fat fucks = higher insurance premiums, lower workforce productivity and the inevitable decline of society in general.



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Posted: Sep 3 2008, 05:52 PM
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I just noticed that dog watching Colombu (or is that Metzger?) deadlift in your sig Jayv...so random.


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Posted: Sep 3 2008, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Sep 3 2008, 05:50 PM)
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Who's to say that being 225 and muscular vs. 225 and 20% BF is worse? 

The surgeon general for one.


http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/topics/obesi...onsequences.htm


fat fucks = higher insurance premiums, lower workforce productivity and the inevitable decline of society in general.

According to the literature you posted, a BMI of >30 have a 50-100% chance of premature death compared to people of a "healthy weight", and people w/ a BMI of >25 have increased incidence of heart disease.

It all comes down to the shitty BMI metric not taking into account BF levels.

They do have an "*" next to the BMI figures and mention some BMI "fact sheet", but I can't find the link to verify how they are measuring BMI in relation to this report.

This is exactly what I'm saying. I have a BMI of 32.3 according to this site.

So, even though I have a lower BF and assume myself to have a much better well-being than the "average" 32 BMI individual, I am going to get tagged by new legislation based on BMI.


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Posted: Sep 3 2008, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Sep 3 2008, 05:10 PM)
The more we live, the more we learn though. I've been Independent, a Republican and now a Democrat...and I'm only 27! Who knows how I (and the world that shapes us all) will change in the future.

Exactly. I had previously been one to vote Repub by default. I was starting to slide to the left when Bush took us into Iraq. But, when I started to really examine the politics of the democrat side, I found that I disagreed with them on many more issues and they seemed just as phoney and "in it for themselves" as those politicians that had alienated me on the repub side.

I think the reality is that there are probably only a handful of descent politicians who are truley looking out for what is right on either side, dem and repub. Bush isn't one, Cheney sure as hell isn't one. Harry Ried is not, Nancy Pelosi is not. Nor is Howard Dean. Gulliani is kind of a douche, etc. Frankly, I believe an honest politician is about as rare as an honest used car salesman.


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Posted: Sep 4 2008, 12:00 AM
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I think I can honestly say that Ron Paul is one of those few politicians that truly cares about the future of this country and its people.
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QUOTE (Will109090 @ Sep 4 2008, 12:00 AM)
I think I can honestly say that Ron Paul is one of those few politicians that truly cares about the future of this country and its people.

He probabl does, but I still have my doubts as to whether he has it right. He's an isolationist and I don't think any country can make it in isolation in our times. We tried it until we were forced into WWII.


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Posted: Sep 4 2008, 04:08 AM
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QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Sep 3 2008, 05:52 PM)
I just noticed that dog watching Colombu (or is that Metzger?) deadlift in your sig Jayv...so random.


Yeah, notice how he's staring at Columbu, admiringly? lol

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Posted: Sep 12 2008, 12:47 PM
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I'd almost totally forgotten about this. Apparently J. Sidney McCain's wife was in a bad car accident. McCain then begain cheating on his wife with then 25-year old Cindy McCain (this is before Cindy was addicted to pills and booze) before eventually leaving his old wife for the new younger one.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_..._his_first.html

Granted, Cindy is definitely hot (and I'm sure at 25 she was smokin) but speaking as a married guy, that's kinda scumbaggish.


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Posted: Sep 12 2008, 12:50 PM
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I find it admirable that he married the girl he was having the affair with rather thandumping her for some other slut.


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Posted: Sep 12 2008, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE (Roids @ Sep 12 2008, 12:50 PM)
dumping her for some other slut.

That's kinda exactly what he did to his injured wife. Very John Edwards of him.


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Posted: Sep 12 2008, 01:05 PM
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Those politicians sure can score some tailpipe!


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Posted: Sep 15 2008, 03:11 PM
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First order of business? Get me a tanning bed in here, pronto!

http://narconews.com/Issue54/article3191.html

“The governor did have a tanning bed put in the Governor’s Mansion,” Roger Wetherell, chief communications officer of Alaska’s Department of Transportation and Public Facilities, confirmed to this newspaper. “It was done shortly after she took office [in early 2007] and moved into the mansion.”

Haven't seen the MSM pick up on this story yet, so we'll see if it has any legs in the upcoming days. Part of me wants this to be true, because it doesn't look good on Palin/McCain (and because it'll be hilarious fodder for SNL, Letterman, Leno, etc) but part of me kinda hopes it turns out to be a hoax....cuz c'mon, she's gotta better than that, right?


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Posted: Sep 15 2008, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Sep 3 2008, 05:30 PM)
QUOTE (ShakesAllDay @ Sep 3 2008, 05:12 PM)
Also, I'm a strong proponent for states' rights.

I hear ya on that one. We need to be "united" for the sake of our cohesive sovereignty, but what works for one state might not for another. Maybe people in Wyoming need more access to different guns because of the hunting culture up there. That doesn't mean sweeping legislation that encompasses the entire nation is the answer, because in San Diego, I can't imagine there's much to hunt.

Just one example, but I know what you mean on giving each state some flexibility to set a slightly different agenda or have their own identity.

That's why there are different state laws. But all laws are superceded by federal law. We tried the weak central government under the Articles of Confederation. It didn't work. If the cnetral government wasn't in charge imagine trying to do interstate commerce, or buying a house in another state, or getting a new job in a new state.


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Posted: Sep 15 2008, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE (ShakesAllDay @ Sep 3 2008, 05:58 PM)
QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Sep 3 2008, 05:50 PM)
QUOTE (ShakesAllDay @ Sep 3 2008, 05:12 PM)
Who's to say that being 225 and muscular vs. 225 and 20% BF is worse? 

The surgeon general for one.


http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/topics/obesi...onsequences.htm


fat fucks = higher insurance premiums, lower workforce productivity and the inevitable decline of society in general.

According to the literature you posted, a BMI of >30 have a 50-100% chance of premature death compared to people of a "healthy weight", and people w/ a BMI of >25 have increased incidence of heart disease.

It all comes down to the shitty BMI metric not taking into account BF levels.

They do have an "*" next to the BMI figures and mention some BMI "fact sheet", but I can't find the link to verify how they are measuring BMI in relation to this report.

This is exactly what I'm saying. I have a BMI of 32.3 according to this site.

So, even though I have a lower BF and assume myself to have a much better well-being than the "average" 32 BMI individual, I am going to get tagged by new legislation based on BMI.

The percentage of people with a BMI of 30 and over who got it from being fit are slim. Approximately 15% of all Americans exercise regularly. So that means 85% of the people with a BMI of 30 are fat and unhealthy. The BMI works most of the time.


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Posted: Sep 15 2008, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Sep 3 2008, 02:52 PM)
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Palin gimmick huh?  How about going on an overseas publicity tour to prove you have foreign policy credentials in one trip?  Now that\\\'s a gimmick IMHO.

Didn't McCain go on a trip to the Middle East (with his sidekick Lieberman who had to correct him when he "misspoke") a couple months back? The only reason J. Sidney didn't have a huge speech while he was overseas is because he wouldn't be able to fill an arena with people dying to hear him speak.

Whatever...the GOP chides Obama for not visiting the Middle East enough, then, when he does go, they get on him for his "big, fancy trip overseas"...they're reaching man. They don't have enough confidence in McCain/Palin so they're gonna do their damndest to grasp at straws to tear down Barack. Understandable.

If Obama is such as an outspoken critic of the governments foreign policies, than why did he vote for action against Iraq, not against it?


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Posted: Sep 15 2008, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Sep 15 2008, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Sep 3 2008, 02:52 PM)
QUOTE (Roids @ Sep 3 2008, 02:39 PM)
Palin gimmick huh?  How about going on an overseas publicity tour to prove you have foreign policy credentials in one trip?  Now that\\\'s a gimmick IMHO.

Didn't McCain go on a trip to the Middle East (with his sidekick Lieberman who had to correct him when he "misspoke") a couple months back? The only reason J. Sidney didn't have a huge speech while he was overseas is because he wouldn't be able to fill an arena with people dying to hear him speak.

Whatever...the GOP chides Obama for not visiting the Middle East enough, then, when he does go, they get on him for his "big, fancy trip overseas"...they're reaching man. They don't have enough confidence in McCain/Palin so they're gonna do their damndest to grasp at straws to tear down Barack. Understandable.

If Obama is such as an outspoken critic of the governments foreign policies, than why did he vote for action against Iraq, not against it?

Barack Obama did not vote to authorize the invasion of Iraq, so your question is erronious.

In fact, he gave a very impassioned (and publicized) speech against the Iraq war in 2002.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...toryId=88988093


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QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Sep 15 2008, 03:41 PM)
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QUOTE (Roids @ Sep 3 2008, 02:39 PM)
Palin gimmick huh?  How about going on an overseas publicity tour to prove you have foreign policy credentials in one trip?  Now that\\\'s a gimmick IMHO.

Didn't McCain go on a trip to the Middle East (with his sidekick Lieberman who had to correct him when he "misspoke") a couple months back? The only reason J. Sidney didn't have a huge speech while he was overseas is because he wouldn't be able to fill an arena with people dying to hear him speak.

Whatever...the GOP chides Obama for not visiting the Middle East enough, then, when he does go, they get on him for his "big, fancy trip overseas"...they're reaching man. They don't have enough confidence in McCain/Palin so they're gonna do their damndest to grasp at straws to tear down Barack. Understandable.

If Obama is such as an outspoken critic of the governments foreign policies, than why did he vote for action against Iraq, not against it?

Barack Obama did not vote to authorize the invasion of Iraq, so your question is erronious.

In fact, he gave a very impassioned (and publicized) speech against the Iraq war in 2002.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...toryId=88988093

He wasn't in the Senate in 2002, but he's voted for every bill since being in the Senate that supports the war. His running mate Biden voted for the war, and voted against the amendment that would have restricted our initial actions to sactions. It shows alot about Obama, that his running mate voted AGAINST, a measure that would have written the verbage of the resolution Bush would bring before the UN that would clearly state the Senate was in support of sanctions, and not war. Biden voted against that bill. Obama has voted for every bill that involves appropriations of funds. He then for months states the surge was "mildly successful" then goes on TV last week and states that the surge was "succesful beyong our wildest expectations" When they asked him about when does life begin he gave three seperate answers over the course of 12 hours. He's against vouchers for private schooling for poor kids, yet sends his own kids to private schools (Biden too btw). He's you're typical politician who will say and do what is popular at the time, not what is right. He went on tv, and said he will cut "wasteful government programs" but he doesn't have the guts to say which ones becuase he knows it might hurt him politically.


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Posted: Sep 15 2008, 04:22 PM
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I don't like to be negative...
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