http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/cbo-webb-hagel/

http://www.newsweek.com/id/136321
(this one is especially roids-esque)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/01/m...ll_n_99744.html
(how is he going to deal with foreign leaders if he is dropping c-bombs everywhere?)

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/05/john-mccains-up.html

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/38133-mccain...o-destroy-islam
(if these are his friends we are in so much trouble in the middle east)

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/30/94541/7973


...this post is meant to be somewhat sarcastic. i just wanted to point out that every candidate has these stories about them floating around, and most of them dont mean anything when it comes to their qualifications to be president.

John McCain called this man an "agent of intolerance" and rightfully so. To suggest that 9/11 happened because God was punishing the United States for "abortionists, feminists, secularists" etc is absurd and insulting to people with brains in their skulls.

McCain was correct in his original assessment of Falwell, imo at least.

BUT...in order to become the GOP candidate for Prez these days, you've gotta have these evangelical types on your side. Integrity be damned.



Guess he's not an "agent of intolerance" when it's campaign time.

Point is, all 3 candidates have a couple shady relationships. It sucks, but it's life. Do you not have any shady associates? What about in your past? I know I do. I wish Obama didn't have the Wright thing hanging over his head and I wish McCain didn't mortgage his integrity in return for support from the far-right.

"Teflon John" however, has gotten pretty much a free ride with the mainstream media. Hell, I haven't even started on Hagee.

I guess whoever you support you are going to believe that the other guys are getting a free ride and your guy is getting pounded by the media. I have heard it from everybody, doesn't matter if you believe in Hillary, Obama, or McCain.

The Dems have destroyed a perfect opportunity though. Thats why the media is concentrating on their faults, they are still attacking each other to see who will become the Dem presidential candidate. The longer this goes on the less credibility Obama has, or Clinton for that matter but she never had any credibility. This presidential race has made me a republican.

That's really weird that THIS race would have made you a Republican, as the trend seems to be the opposite nationwide, due to the lack of quality candidates the GOP had this cycle.

I don't think the Dems have ruined their chances at all. The ongoing battle between Obama and Clinton has had it's low points for sure, but nothing that either candidate couldn't come back from in a general election against McCain...assuming McCain is still alive in November. I don't see Obama's credibility taking too badly of a hit at all.

I didn't say the Dems couldn't come back from it, but if this race had been over with a while ago then I think the Dems would be the frontrunners to become president. Now, I think it will be a tight race. Its hard to predict right now what will happen in the presidential race because you just don't know what will or could come out about the candidates. I became a republican because I don't want Obama or Clinton in the white house. I don't like everything about McCain but I like him more than the others.

Fair enough, and I think you're definitely right to an extent. If Obama wrapped up the nomination a month or so ago, he'd have more time to dedicate to the General Election, and would be running much higher in the polls than he is now (currently like +5 points I think) head-to-head vs McCain.

EDIT: The dems are still the frontrunners, as both of them are ahead of McCain in head-to-head matchups and the GOP isn't exactly fired up about McCain. For them, I see it almost like the Dems saw it in '04..."this guy's OK, but I just wanna vote AGAINST the other guy"

Regardless though, if Barack wraps this thing up on May 20th in Oregon, he'll enjoy quite a bump in the polls from the convention in Denver. A lot of the Hillary people say they won't vote for him...but they will. He'll get a nice boost in the polls and will be running 10 points ahead of McCain, if not higher.

I think once we get into the nitty gritty time (Aug, Sept, Nov) it will be VERY tight indeed. Gonna be like the last 2 elections probably, another 51/49 type thing. America has proven to be at least 51% retarded though, so who knows how it'll shake out.

Mitt Romney was a very viable candidate. He has tons of financial background in terms of turning companies completely around and making them perform well again, so in that aspect, he was the best candidate on both sides of the aisle other than Ron Paul. People just couldn't get past his Mormonism.

The Mormon thing might've hurt but I think his blatant political opportunism hurt more. He flip-flopped on several key issues over the past few years, in order to more closely allign himself with the GOP "base".

In a couple of the debates he did have a Presidential demeanor to him though, I'll give him that for sure. The "powerful, confident executive" type vibe. Well put-together and pretty well spoken.

Right. Fortunately for the dems, you don't see any of that in either of the democratic candidates.

Would never claim that either of the democratic candidates are perfect, although I don't think their power grab was as transparent as Romney's. Clinton can be thrown into the "political opportunist" bucket as well, although her positions on key issues have remained pretty consistent I must say.

im from MA and Romney did some good things for the economy, the only problem is that he simply could not cooperate with the Democratic congress and held up a lot bills that the people of MA really wanted pushed through (it baffles me that MA had Republican governors for 20 years up until Romney). i felt like since the day Romney was elected governor he was running for president, not trying to get things done for MA

Interesting to get your take on him, since you're from Mass. I hadn't talked to any Massholes about Romney really.

John McCain isn't teflon, he's caught plenty of flak for things. He just doesn't have much dirt.

You've been an AZ resident for a while, yes? What's your opinion of John McCain, having had him as your Senator for like 20 years now.

Not instigating, just curious of how his home state regards him.

I used to dig him back in 2000.

He's pretty popular in AZ. He's a politician who is seen as not afraid to go against the grain, if he feels it isn't best for his constituents, and for his beliefs. I like that even though he's Republican, he's stood up against Bush on things he disagreed with. He is not view here as a polished politician, but as a god public servant.

I have a different take on his reasoning for going "against the grain". He's had his sights in the whitehouse since the at least the late 1990s. In his effort to look like a "uniter", he's reached across the isle to make deals with politicians who will clearly work against him if he wins the presidency. In all fairness, he has at least attempted to work across the isle. For the past 8 years, it seems as if the democrat party's only responsibility has been to oppose the every idea that the republicans have put on the table.

Edit: How about Nancy Pelosi's solution? It's brilliant! When Bush recently suggested that we need to drill for oil in ANWAR while we continue to explore alternative fuels, she responded by chanting "veto & drill! Veto & drill!" Her suggestion was that we should tap the national reserves again. She sighted the fact that when the Clinton administration tapped the national reserves, the price of a barrel of oil dropped from $30 to $20 by the end of the year. That sounds like one hell of a temporary fix. If we do that again, perhaps it'll drop back down to $100 per barrel by year end. And of course, if we keep tapping our national reserves, perhaps the price of a barrel of oil will stay around $100 until the reserves go completely dry. In the meantime, we'll sock it to big oil with a windfall profit tax just to keep the cost of petrol at $4.00/gal.

Great solutions fron the democratic party! It will certainly keep the ignorant masses content. Oil prices will fall in the short run and the average joe 6-pack will believe that somehow, we're socking it to big oil. In the long run, oil prices will continue to increase as global demand for oil increases and value of the $USD continues to decline.

Wouldn't it be a dream come true if our elected leaders would focus on solving some some real world problems rather than on kicking democrat or republican ass?

This post has been edited by Roids on May 11 2008, 11:34 PM

I'm sure that was his only motive in nearly 30 years as a Senator, as it might one day help him become President. Especially when he went against a President who was very popular, in fact he's gone against several presidents. Stay out of politics, and stay with what your good at it, being a douche bag.

No thanks assfit. I could never match your abilities. You've earned the reputation at this forum as the master of douchebagary.

Lol you wish. Unlike you, I actually have constructive things to say to people.

Word. All of these fucking scumbag politicians just bitch and fight. I'm going to go to Capitol Hill one day and watch them "work" from the public viewing area, and when I don't see them doing shit, which is all the time, I'm going to start bashing all of them and screaming at Ted about how he murdered that young woman, call Pelosi a man, and tell Huckabee that he's a fat ass.

Jenna was looking pretty in her wedding photos though.