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Posted: May 15 2008, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE (Michael218532 @ May 15 2008, 02:15 AM)
how do Dems perpetuate racism again?

Because they indirectly tell them they aren't good enough, so they have to pass all of these laws just so they can keep up. Who do you think No Child Left Behind was targeting whites?? They marginalize blacks by telling them they aren't good enough to perform certain jobs, or go to certain schools, or perform well on certain exams, so they give them advantages by passing policies that, in effect, eventually hurt the country.

And then on top of that, if they don't agree with someone, they call them a racist. Everything to them revolves around race. They can't get tired of talking about it. Look at all of the MSM, they keep bringing up race. One of Clinton's campaign spokeswoman said Obama has made it this far because he's black, and everyone jumps on it and says she's a racist for speaking the truth. Someone says Obama is articulate, and he's deemed a racist.

If racism didn't exist, the Democratic Party wouldn't exist. 95% of blacks are voting for Obama due to his race, is that racism? Only when it supports the Democratic cause is it not deemed racism. But if it's against their cause, it's racism.
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Posted: May 15 2008, 06:36 PM
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i guess we just disagree on the status of race relations in this country...as i see it, equality simply hasn't been achieved and some measures do need to be taken to level the playing field. i do respect your pov though that by focusing on race relations you could be deepening the divide, i just don't think there has been enough done policy wise to get rid of the divide in the first place.
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Posted: May 15 2008, 09:16 PM
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Posted: May 16 2008, 09:28 AM
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This article is kind of old but the congress again shot down drilling on US soil this week, despite all the whining about skyrocketing oil prices. I'd say, with the way thing look for upcoming election, let's not expect any relief on gas prices for the next 4 to 8 years. Everytime you fill your tank, just be glad no polar bears were disturbed in ANWAR


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Posted: May 16 2008, 09:33 AM
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Posted: May 16 2008, 10:01 AM
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The gas tax holiday is about as long term of a solution as tappping the national oil reserves. Ultimately, it doesn't do jack shit.

Obamas proposals look fairly sound, but it still fails to address the short term problem of high gas prices. Becoming less dependent on foreign oil requires both a short term solution and a long term solution. All of the dem's proposals only address the longterm, such as alternative fuels. That's all good for the long term, but it'll take 15-20 years. In the interim, we need our own oil.


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Posted: May 16 2008, 10:03 AM
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If you think our "own" oil is going to lower prices you must be crazy.

Who do you think will sell this oil? Exxon, Shell etc right? It's a free market meaning they'll still go after the most profit.

It's not like we live in Venezuela where the country owns the oil and doesn't rip off it's citizens by selling it to them.



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Posted: May 16 2008, 10:10 AM
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Well, it's OPEC that sets the prices. Here's what would happen. We tell OPEC to increase production to bring the cost down or we will otherwise have to start drilling and tapping our own resources to bring the cost down. OPEC will probably increase their output rith away to discourage us from drilling. Also, futures traders who are sitting on $125 barrels of oil start worrying that the market is going to be flooded with more oil once we tap our own resources. So they start selling off in order to cutting their loses before the prices drop too far. Basically, if congress approved offshore drilling, the prices would drop a great deal overnight. That is, if there's no democrat president to veto it (i.e. taking care of enviro-lobbyists).

Problem is, the A-rabs know we won't do it, so we have no bargaining power with them.


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Posted: May 16 2008, 06:39 PM
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Posted: May 16 2008, 07:18 PM
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So I read that King Towelhead told Bush to fuck off and that he's not increasing oil output. laugh.gif


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Posted: May 16 2008, 08:22 PM
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He did give a good retort to Bush's comments this morning, particularly in his opening comments. I'll certainly give him credit for that. That doesn't mean that meeting with the Iranian govt with no preconditions is wise or would accomplish anything.


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Posted: May 17 2008, 12:45 AM
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article about obama's response...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/16/o...c_n_102135.html

...diplomacy anyone?
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Posted: May 17 2008, 10:30 AM
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Speaking (falsely) of "appeasment".....

Chris Matthews takes apart some ignorant boob.

"It's the same exact thing....it energizes and legitamizes.....it's the same exact thing....it energizes and legitamizes....its the same thing!"

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Posted: May 17 2008, 11:05 AM
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I still don't see how diplomacy with a guy who calls for the destruction of another state(s) could ever be productive. Most likely, Obama will do it and it'll be about as productive as Jimmy Carter's recent meeting with Hamas. Only this time, it'll be much more humiliating with Obama being the commander-in-chief.


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Posted: May 17 2008, 11:07 AM
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Posted: May 20 2008, 09:50 AM
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After Barack's projected win in Oregon he will have claim to the majority of all elected delegates....hopefully the superdelegates will continue their trend and send him over the top.



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Posted: May 20 2008, 11:42 AM
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Over the top of a bridge! rolleyes.gif


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Posted: May 20 2008, 09:28 PM
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Even McCain's senior staff members don't want to work against Barack's candidacy.

McCain media consultant Mark McKinnon has told many in the press, including First Read, that he would no longer work for McCain if Obama becomes the Democratic nominee.

"I just don't want to work against an Obama candidacy"


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Posted: May 20 2008, 10:38 PM
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Dr.Hoops. I'd be willing to bet that you caught the Obama fever the moment you first saw him on TV giving one of his first "Hope and Change" campaign speaches. Then, long after the fact, you looked up his voting record and read some of his ideas on various policies and thought "wow, he even has some good ideas for when he becomes president! Yeah Obama baby!!!"

I'm afraid that he is going to be our next prez though. Not because he's the best candidate, but because the republicans have failed us. They had every opportunity to get some shit done when they had control, but they sat on their hands. Frankly, they deserve this kick in the teeth.

What is really scary is the fact that the current democratic congress has an even lower approval rating than Bush, and it looks like they're about to have full control of the govt after this election.


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Posted: May 20 2008, 10:51 PM
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You Political kniggs are the best laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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