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Posted: Mar 23 2008, 07:55 AM
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Is it normal for my lower back to be very sore for the days following deadlifts? I get rediculous lower back pumps when I do em. But I wasnt sure if i was doing something wrong cause man oh man is it tight/sore.


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Posted: Mar 23 2008, 09:48 AM
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muscle soreness and joint "stiffness" is all good, but you don't wan't alot of joint pain... if you feel like the pain is coming from your spine and connective tissue then your prob doin something wrong


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Posted: Mar 23 2008, 09:56 AM
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No its def my muscluar region, but dam, it has me barely able to bend over lol.


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Posted: Mar 23 2008, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE (Arnoldclone @ Mar 23 2008, 09:56 AM)
No its def my muscluar region, but dam, it has me barely able to bend over lol.

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Posted: Mar 23 2008, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE (Arnoldclone @ Mar 23 2008, 07:55 AM)
Is it normal for my lower back to be very sore for the days following deadlifts? I get rediculous lower back pumps when I do em. But I wasnt sure if i was doing something wrong cause man oh man is it tight/sore.

...try dragging the bar up your shins. I normally dont get lower back from from regyular deads, sldl on the other hand, yea I feel them.


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Posted: Mar 23 2008, 11:23 AM
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Do you do these often? If so I don't know how you can get that sore if you do them regularly.



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my lower back usually gets pretty torn up too man... i think its pretty normal. the pain has gotten better from about a year ago though.


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Posted: Mar 23 2008, 02:25 PM
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Well Ive only been doing em for a month n a half or so, at once a week. So I think Im still adjusting. The weights going up petty quick too, I figure Itll get better.


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Posted: Mar 23 2008, 07:04 PM
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there's your answer, at that amount of time, with an exercise that hits the lower back and glutes major, and I find that the lower back is a muscle that like hamstrings if it's not worked out often, will tell you so the next day.


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Posted: Mar 23 2008, 07:07 PM
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sometimes my lower back will be tight the next day, sometimes it won't be as tight as I'd expect it to be.... the tightness has greatly diminished over time since I first started deadlifting a couple months ago
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Posted: Mar 23 2008, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE (Arnoldclone @ Mar 23 2008, 02:25 PM)
Well Ive only been doing em for a month n a half or so, at once a week. So I think Im still adjusting. The weights going up petty quick too, I figure Itll get better.

...I just noticed you just started a havoc cycle, I dont know how long it takes for sides to kick in, but if back pumps are a side associated with the drug your taking...that could also be a possible cause...I remember sldl's on m1t (20mgED) was horrible, had to sit and rest for at least 2 or 3 minutes before pain subsided bw sets. There is no way around it bro (or at least that I know of), unless you use some rx painkillers. The only other option is to do other exercises that hit the hammies and go back to deads once your off cycle (if that is indeed the cause).


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watch the weight increase as well, my strength shot up as well when i started doin deads, but i paid for it with a spinal injury


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Posted: Mar 24 2008, 10:21 AM
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Soreness after deads/squats is higly dependent on form, amount of weight used, and the length of the lever arms of your spine, and thigh in relation to your hips, and the bar.


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QUOTE (PotentiallyFatal @ Mar 23 2008, 08:22 PM)
QUOTE (Arnoldclone @ Mar 23 2008, 02:25 PM)
Well Ive only been doing em for a month n a half or so, at once a week. So I think Im still adjusting. The weights going up petty quick too, I figure Itll get better.

...I just noticed you just started a havoc cycle, I dont know how long it takes for sides to kick in, but if back pumps are a side associated with the drug your taking...that could also be a possible cause...I remember sldl's on m1t (20mgED) was horrible, had to sit and rest for at least 2 or 3 minutes before pain subsided bw sets. There is no way around it bro (or at least that I know of), unless you use some rx painkillers. The only other option is to do other exercises that hit the hammies and go back to deads once your off cycle (if that is indeed the cause).

Taurine should help the back pumps wink.gif


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Posted: Mar 26 2008, 06:26 AM
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QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 24 2008, 10:21 AM)
Soreness after deads/squats is higly dependent on form, amount of weight used, and the length of the lever arms of your spine, and thigh in relation to your hips, and the bar.

Watch that form!

A little back soreness after a DL session is normal, but serious soreness is probably a sign that you're not getting your legs into it enough. If you're tall with long arms (like me), or new to the DL the tendency is to bring your ass up too early in the liftand then wind up doing a virtual stiff-leg DL at the top of the movement (ie all back no legs).

Keep your weights low and REALLY focus on form (yes I know you want to lift heavier and heavier if you've just started, but your spine wont love you for it) - have a spotter who knows what good DL form looks like watch you from the side, have someone spot you by putting one hand on your lower back and pushing down, and one arm round your chest pulling back to help force you to keep that natural spinal curve throughout the lift, really concentrate on keeping your shoulders back, ass down, and the bar firmly against the legs (if its not grazing your shins its too far out) and also try using a trap bar/hex bar, especially for heavier lifts, especially if you're tall to keep the weight down the centreline of the body


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QUOTE (TAC @ Mar 26 2008, 06:26 AM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 24 2008, 10:21 AM)
Soreness after deads/squats is higly dependent on form, amount of weight used, and the length of the lever arms of your spine, and thigh in relation to your hips, and the bar.

Watch that form!

A little back soreness after a DL session is normal, but serious soreness is probably a sign that you're not getting your legs into it enough. If you're tall with long arms (like me), or new to the DL the tendency is to bring your ass up too early in the liftand then wind up doing a virtual stiff-leg DL at the top of the movement (ie all back no legs).

Keep your weights low and REALLY focus on form (yes I know you want to lift heavier and heavier if you've just started, but your spine wont love you for it) - have a spotter who knows what good DL form looks like watch you from the side, have someone spot you by putting one hand on your lower back and pushing down, and one arm round your chest pulling back to help force you to keep that natural spinal curve throughout the lift, really concentrate on keeping your shoulders back, ass down, and the bar firmly against the legs (if its not grazing your shins its too far out) and also try using a trap bar/hex bar, especially for heavier lifts, especially if you're tall to keep the weight down the centreline of the body

I would def. recommend staying in the 135-225 range if you are unsure of your form.

I do deadlifts last in my back routine. Most do them first because they want to lift the most weight with that lift. I'm the opposite. I want to be fatigued before I get to that lift so that I use lighter weight. I concentrate on my form instead of max weight.

I have to be very careful w/ my lower back. I can't chance another injury now that I have a baby boy to pick up off the ground. This is why I go light and at the end of my workout.


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Posted: Mar 26 2008, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE (TAC @ Mar 26 2008, 07:26 AM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 24 2008, 10:21 AM)
Soreness after deads/squats is higly dependent on form, amount of weight used, and the length of the lever arms of your spine, and thigh in relation to your hips, and the bar.

Watch that form!

A little back soreness after a DL session is normal, but serious soreness is probably a sign that you're not getting your legs into it enough. If you're tall with long arms (like me), or new to the DL the tendency is to bring your ass up too early in the liftand then wind up doing a virtual stiff-leg DL at the top of the movement (ie all back no legs).

Keep your weights low and REALLY focus on form (yes I know you want to lift heavier and heavier if you've just started, but your spine wont love you for it) - have a spotter who knows what good DL form looks like watch you from the side, have someone spot you by putting one hand on your lower back and pushing down, and one arm round your chest pulling back to help force you to keep that natural spinal curve throughout the lift, really concentrate on keeping your shoulders back, ass down, and the bar firmly against the legs (if its not grazing your shins its too far out) and also try using a trap bar/hex bar, especially for heavier lifts, especially if you're tall to keep the weight down the centreline of the body

very good post...make it easy to understand dl form...


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Another point is to make sure your shoulders are BEHIND the bar.


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Posted: Mar 26 2008, 11:42 AM
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is it easier to keep form doing sumo? ive been doing sumo and it just seems less complicated for me for some reason


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QUOTE (cc-10 @ Mar 26 2008, 11:42 AM)
is it easier to keep form doing sumo? ive been doing sumo and it just seems less complicated for me for some reason

Sumo does seem easier wrt lower back. You don't' have to bend as far over to make the lift. Sumo seems to rely on a lot of leg drive. My glutes kill after a few sets of sumo DLs.


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