yeah right. Thats too hardcore for me, i'll run that on my next cycle perhaps.

Heres my actual cycle.

1- 400 mg test C
2- 400 mg test C
3- 400 mg test C
4- 400 mg test C
5- 400 mg test C + 200 mg trenbolone E (cycle off creatine)
6- 400 mg test C + 200 mg trenbolone E
7- 400 mg test C + 200 mg trenbolone E
8- 400 mg test C + 200 mg trenbolone E
9- 400 mg test C + 200 mg trenbolone E + 50 mg CEL Hdrol
10- 400 mg test C + 200 mg trenbolone E + 50 mg CEL Hdrol
11- 400 mg test C + 50 mg CEL Hdrol (cycle back on creatine)
12- 400 mg test C + 50 mg CEL Hdrol
13- 40 mg Tamoxifen =ED
14- 30 mg Tamoxifen =ED
15- 20 mg Tamoxifen =ED + 350 mg 6 OXO =ED + 1000 mg Trib =ED
16- 20 mg Tamoxifen =ED + 350 mg 6 OXO =ED + 1000 mg Trib =ED
17- * 10 mg Tamoxifen =ED (If i still feel shutdown)

First pin today. No probs to speak of, just a little sore.

(Topical ATD is on hand for any aromatase issues, as well as research Tamox)




Stats:

Ok so, allow myself to introduce....myself.

*I'm kicking 30 in the ass.
*I'm 5'9''
*184-188 around 10-12% bf (lets not split hairs here. give or take)
*decade + of lifting experience.

Ph/steroid history:

M1t/4ad/1ad/m-drol. I put many years into "au naturale" so to speak but i feel im at my genetic ceiling as far as size is concerned. Strength is steadilly increasing, but size doesnt seem to coincide with that strength. I must say ive always had a somewhat negative stigma directed towards juice, based entirely on my ignorance. "people fear what they dont understand".

Well, My last Mdrol cycle was wonderous. 3 weeks of mood swings and diminished libido worked out well for me. Nah, i exeggerate. gains were nice...Gained a couple of pounds, looked more vascular...but, i'll never run another compound again without test in there somewhere. Im just sensitive to the lack of it i guess. A very uneasy feeling.

My current Goals:

* To improve lifts on my 3 major compounds (bench/deads/squats) by 50 lbs within 12 weeks.

* To gain 15-20 lbs of mass. Hopefully keeping my general body shape. i'll be eating close to 4k a day worth of calories for the first month. To enhance appetite, i'll have some greenery on hand. That should do it. i'll taper down the cal's once the tren comes into the pic so i can "lean out" some.

I would be pleased to come off with a bf% at or around its current state, but if i come off higher, i dont care. i have 9,000 mg's of pure ephedrine hcl, a bottle of research clen on the way and the discipline to actually cut up. i did a cut cycle a couple of months back...I got quite lean. i simply removed fats/carbs and increased my cardio. That worked.

Once the test kicks in, i'll be increasing my W/O's to 5x a week or a 3on/1off schedule. My increased recovery time should expedite hypertrophy. cardio 3x a week @ 20-30 mins. (hopefully the tren wont hinder my cardio)

About the Hdrol: The only reason im even adding the h-drol into this, which to some of you may seem futile or pointless...is because i have it already...and i'll never run it solo. I figured it might help lean me out towards the end....Got an Unopened bottle of P-plex too...was considering kick starting my cycle with that or another wet compound like M1T....But, i figured if anything, the wiser choice was to use a PH at the end of the cycle...and to use a "dry" compound. Im basing this on the info provided by SDF42450...which made sense compared to "kickstarting":


QUOTE (Brendlinger @ Nov 28 2007, 09:17 AM)
So SDF your saying now that im done with my sus cycle i should maybe finish up with mdrol to gain a few more pounds?

"what im saying is that by the end of the cycle, SHBG will be higher than it is at the beginning of the cycle. if you front load or "kickstart" you're kicking SHBG up much faster than it would if you just stuck with the 500mg/wk. SHBG will be higher for the duration of the cycle which will mean your getting less outta your juice. if you added an oral instead at the end of the cycle, you could ratchet up your gains and achieve MORE from the cycle.

example:

Cycle A:
wk 1-10 500mg/wk Test Cyp
wk 1-4 30mg/day Dbol

Cycle B:
wk 1-10 500mg/wk Test Cyp
wk 9-12 30mg/day Dbol

what i'm saying is that Cycle B >> Cycle A while utilizing the exact same amount of AAS. this same technique could be used with short esters, you'd just have to slide the oral in. if you were using prop 1-10, do the dbol 7-10.

do some reading on it... you'll find there's science, logic and reason to back up my position vs the "this is what i've always heard to do" of the frontload/kickstart"

Reference: http://forums.bulknutrition.com/topic41309.html

My Log will contain workout schedules/diet and any sides (if any) i may experience.

Feedback/advice/critique appreciated.

-ALSO, Please feel free to chime in on the topical ATD as an AI on this cycle....and whether you feel it will hinder gains or not. Im reading conflicting stories on how its competes and binds to the androgen receptor...which doesnt sound good while "on".


The Before pics

I def gained a little fat since my cut cycle a couple of months back. Mostly around the obliques. Oh well. i noticed a direct link between strength and a couple of extra pounds. Im a lot stronger when im a bit chunkier basically lol



Well, thats it for now. Yohimbe/ephedrine is kicking in and i need to get my ass in gear. I'll try to update pics on a weekly basis to monitor results. probably wont see any visible gains until around the 3rd or 4th week. But who knows.

Looking good man, looking foward to following your journal

lol i read the title, saw your name and was confused. then came in here to mock you...touche

JESUS CHRIST!

looks awesome

do you wax or shave? italians normally are hairy as hell....

you dont even have chest hair or hair on your quads.

you have one hell of a build now, I cant wait to see the results of this cycle!

6 weeks of Tren ENANTHATE? why? And I see you followed the all powerful SDFag's advice and didnt kickstart. I hope its not too late and you can take advice from someone that actually works out and has real life knowledge and use your H Drol the first few weeks.

For example, I kickstarted my current cycle with 50mg dbol and it hasn't even been 4 weeks and my weight is up 15 lbs (yes I am on .5mg Letro ED) and I just benched 405x2, squatted 405x10 and my test/deca/winstrol hasn't even started.

Don't take advice from some douchebag that wont even post a pic or back up his posts with any science. BTW... Try to get more tren as 6 weeks of a long ester is damned near pointless.

+1

also i dont know why you chose tren e over tren a. especially considering this is your first gear cycle. most people will say if you have never run tren before then run tren a so if you get any nasty sides you cant handle you can just drop it immediately since its short estered. plus 6 weeks would be fine with tren a but def not long enough for tren e.

I think that it would be interesting to see someone not do the kickstart and instead put it at the end to see if there is any extra benefit. Anyways, good luck on the cycle bro.

he did right by not "kickstarting" and instead using his oral at the end... it's counter productive to do it the other way -- there is science to back this up. the sooner you realize this the sooner you can close the gap on that 0.25lbs/inch.

and using a long ester gear for 6 wks he'll still make gains. the only thing he acheives by running it longer is that he'll manage a stable level of tren in his blood stream for a certain duration to maximize gains while minimizing sides. with only 6 wks, the dose will build up, peak for a brief period and then fade out -- he'll still acheive some gains. granted, it's not optimal to run the cycle this way, but neither is it optimal to front load -- still though people make gains using these methods.

as for posting a pic... it's just not wise. when you post a pic in a public forum theres no telling where it'll end up, and the last thing i want is any of you homos adding my pic to your private "jerkin' collection"

youd make the perfect musclebear

Thanks for the support guys.

having a little pain in my ass as i speak. nothing i cant deal with though.

Slept only 6 hours, i feel fine though.

So rob/vap...

you're saying its absolutely pointless to run a dry ph towards the end of a cycle?

I didnt wanna run anything for the first month as to get a feel for the test by itself i guess.....

I know, enanthate may of not been the greatest newb choice...but i figured a low-dose...So you's are saying 6 is pointless?

I'm guessing the absolute minimum would have to be 8 then, huh?

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Woke up. popped 50 mg ephedrine/200 mg yohimbe and downed 2 cups of coffee.

Jumped on the stationary bike for 20 mins at a fast pace.

crawled off the bike...

Downed a whey shake w/extra glutamine.

Breakfast:

5 slices of turkey on whole wheat bread
4 oz. salmon
bag of broccolli
1 orange
1 capsule each of fishliver oil and flaxseed oil

pre-workout shake:
Whey, cee, arginine akg, taurine, alcar + glutamine + 200 mg caffeine anyhydrous

Biceps (17 sets)

Olympic bar curls (wide grip)
110 lbs X 10
120 X 10
125 X 10
EZ bar curls (close grip)
90 X 15
100 X 15
150 X 3
Preacher curls w/EZ bar
90 X 10
100 X 6
70 X 15
Dumbell curls
50 X 10
60 X 5
Underhand Grip, lat pull-downs
130 X 35
Reverse Curls
w/EZ bar - 80 X 15
90 X 12
w/Olympic bar - 110 X 5
Hammer curls
40 x 12
Arnold concentration curls
25 X 22

P/WO shake w/1% milk, CEE and 4 tsp dextrose. Ate an orange.

Lunch:

4 Eggs (3 whites and 1 whole)
Bowl of oatmeal, 1/2 tsp margarine, 1/4 cup milk
1 apple
Flaxseed and fishliver oil caps

Going to hit the Back tonight. Sets of pushups are in order as well.

i didnt say running a dry ph at the end is pointless. alot of people run winny at the end of their cycles to harden up and i was thinking of doing the same. its really up to you. i like kickstarts though.
if i were you id save the tren e for another cycle and either just run the test by itself or buy some tren A. like i said before tren sides can be nasty and if you try tren for the first time with the longer ester you wouldnt be able to abort fast enough if need be.
tren a would be alot more effective for 6 weeks than tren e would.
either way good luck bro

Bring on the science hunny, I've been waiting for some kind of study or ANYTHING. All you post is your own hypothesis with no evidence. I'll be waiting. BTW I am currently 212.5 and ~10% BF. I'll be making a video within a couple months and then you can finally admit you are outclassed.

Jay you will still make sick gains on that cycle no doubt. I just would tweak it a bit by running an oral at the beginning. The way it is set up now you will be having 3 compounds take 100% affect at the same time instead of pacing yourself throughout the whole cycle. What I mean is by the time you start your oral, the tren enan will have peaked AND your test will be peaking and I don't think you need 3 compounds peaking at the same time for your first cycle. I would spread it out more IMO.

Either way whatever you decide to do will yield some good results. Keep us posted, sorry to threadjack with SDFag btw but I just don't like seeing douches post comments with no studies to back it up and people take his words for law.

thanks Vap, PM sent.

why dont u just get more tren so u can run it longer.