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Posted: Mar 28 2007, 12:42 PM
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As a young lifter, I remember going into the gym and seeing some really big, strong dudes lifting heavy weights, clapping chalk, and making a lot of noise. The music playing on the stereo made you want to work out the moment you walked inside. This has been replaced by a bunch of pencil neck “trainers” with extra-medium muscle shirts and small shorts running around with clipboards having their clients balance on top of a swimming pool ball, juggle dumbbells, and recite their ABCs backwards. - Paul Caldwell
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Posted: Mar 28 2007, 01:09 PM
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Great article. The other article they link in the beginning is great too.

When it comes to form, I noticed I've been angling my feet outwards a bit and my legs bend that way too, kinda bowlegged like a frog almost.

Is that OK?


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Posted: Mar 28 2007, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Mar 28 2007, 10:09 AM)
Great article. The other article they link in the beginning is great too.

When it comes to form, I noticed I've been angling my feet outwards a bit and my legs bend that way too, kinda bowlegged like a frog almost.

Is that OK?

i assume you're pulling sumo?

yea your feet are suppose to be pointin outwards a bit.


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Posted: Mar 28 2007, 01:31 PM
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I don't know what "pulling sumo" is. I've only started deadlifting a month ago. I feel like I use my back a bit more than my legs, but other than that, it feels OK. What is the difference b/w "sumo" and "regular" deadlifting?

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Posted: Mar 28 2007, 01:54 PM
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sumo is when your pulling in a wide stance

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conventional, is this

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Posted: Mar 28 2007, 02:07 PM
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My feet aren't as far apart as the sumo picture, but they bend outward.


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Posted: Mar 28 2007, 08:48 PM
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ya ive seen that called frog style
ive seen some big guys use it
they squat down and grab the bar inside their legs and they just look like a frog


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QUOTE (kdkdkdk @ Mar 28 2007, 01:54 PM)
sumo is when your pulling in a wide stance

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conventional, is this

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I like the conventional way, i think i would be too afraid to try it the sumo way with the risk of injuring my back.


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best shit ive ever read... thanks

i prefer conventional too,


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Posted: May 2 2007, 08:12 AM
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QUOTE (Vadha Man @ Apr 2 2007, 09:09 AM)

I like the conventional way, i think i would be too afraid to try it the sumo way with the risk of injuring my back.

The sumo stance has a LOT less preasure on the lower back and hits the hips/glutes a lot more. Sumo has many advantages over conventional. Less strain on the lower back, easier to maintain a tight arch in the lower back, and less distance to pull.

The thing is with sumo is that it does require a lot of hip/glut/ham strength because that is where the preasure is. Also, why more people don't use sumo is that it requires a very precise technique to lift heavy. When doing light weight it is really easy to keep form but when going heavy everything usually goes to crap for most any lift. Sumo requires a lot of technique and if you don't have the form down on the heaviest of lifts, you'll miss very very easily. With conventional if your form slips a little it's a lot easier to pull yourself back together. With sumo it's all over witih. A person could hit a PR of 500 one day then struggle with 400 later on because the form is off.


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Great article.

Can't wait to start deadlifting again. I'm going to go real light for about 2-3 weeks starting this Friday. I'm doing FB workouts on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays since I'm trying to cut right now. But Fridays will mainly consist of deadlifts and DB shoulder presses.
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"I don't know what 'pulling sumo' is" laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Hahaha...so funny to see my posts from a year ago when I didn't know ass about deadlifting. I've since gone all sumo, all the way. Legs as wide as the plates, over/under grip, hands inside stance.


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QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ May 1 2008, 07:53 AM)
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Solutions: Speed pulls are your best friend. Start with as little as 40% 1RM initially, but work in the 50-60% range for the vast majority of the time. Going to 70% is pushing it, but it's been done. Some lifters have found that conventional plyometric exercises can help, although I don't feel they hold a candle to speed pulls from a specificity standpoint.



sounds like something i should be doing

what about hitting some rack pulls then finishing off w/ some speed pulls next week? any ideas on how to do speed pulls I take it fewer time between sets than between heavier weight....


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i think its just banging out reps reall quick, while maintaining good form tho


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DE work is all about speed with yes proper form. DE work is also done with very few reps.

Typical DE work would depending on the percentages is around 10 sets with 2 reps each.

Here's a good video of a DE DL session by Derek Wilcox a 165lbs elite lifter. Notice there is a quick reset between reps. It's not touch and go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INdj26homNA


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