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Posted: Jun 18 2006, 06:52 PM
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Hi I'm a new comer to this sight.<br>Very nice so far.<br>I've been considering piracetam as it seems to be a good all around'r when one considers the amount of research done on it and bang for the buck.<br><br>I have read that by and large extra choline is needed to avoid complications-<br>Is this true?<br>Don't you get it from dairy and pultery or am I missing something?
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Posted: Jun 19 2006, 01:27 AM
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No. You can take piracetam without choline.

However, taking the two together will be more effective than either alone. Other things to try are Super EPA , and Acetyl-L-Carnitine .


I've done lots of reading on choline, and there are many sources: Lecithin, Choline, Alpha-GPC, Choline Citrate , and Choline Bitartrate . I've tried Lecithin - very little choline, choline (the choline and inositol from Now) - works well, and Alpha-GPC - expensive!.

I guess I'll try the other forms at some point, but all this experimentation gets costly.
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Posted: Jun 19 2006, 11:22 AM
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I tried piracetam before, and I didn't see much form it.


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Posted: Jun 19 2006, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE (CDONDICI @ Jun 19 2006, 11:22 AM)
I tried piracetam before, and I didn't see much form it.

piracetam works for a lot of people. You just have to experiment. It took a good week before I started feeling the effects. I noticed an extreme increase in "creativity" while on it. However, I didn't like paying for choline, and I'd personally rather spend my money on other supps.
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Posted: Jun 19 2006, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE (Debaser @ Jun 19 2006, 12:17 PM)
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I tried piracetam before, and I didn't see much form it.

piracetam works for a lot of people. You just have to experiment. It took a good week before I started feeling the effects. I noticed an extreme increase in "creativity" while on it. However, I didn't like paying for choline, and I'd personally rather spend my money on other supps.

Yea I read you are supposed to take it for a while to see results, I wasn't very good about taking it consistantly.


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Posted: Jun 19 2006, 10:21 PM
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Been looking at that, and into that.<br><br>Suposedly Ginseng is a ok &quot;natural&quot; source- with something like around 1000ppm per a cup. Have had the stuff and it kind of like it. It tastes funky-but not gross funky. <br>It's comparetively a bit more cost effective at 5USD for a half pound of some bulk dried root of the stuff from the food co-op. I originally got some because recently coffie's been making way to jumpy-then I found out that ginseng root is suposed to be good for you as well.<br>Why do things that are suposed to be good for you have such strong taste??<br>Or is it like Conan said: &quot;That wich does not kill me makes me stronger&quot;? cool.gif <br><br>Thanks for everyones feedback.<br><br>
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Posted: Jun 20 2006, 12:41 AM
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Piracetam can possibly increase acetylcholine receptor density in the hippocampus. It generally increases nerve transmissions, especially between hemispheres.

Acetylcholine is one of the primary neurochemicals used to transmit signals between neurons. You MUST supplement with extra choline to fuel this increased demand. If you are after intelligence and/or creativity boost, and do not supplement with Choline, you might just find the opposite effect taking place.

I experienced a low-grade headache, confusion, and lack of clarity in thought until I added choline. I would highly suggest it.

Choline Bitartrate is the least expensive option.


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Posted: Jun 20 2006, 12:43 AM
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QUOTE (eeek @ Jun 19 2006, 10:21 PM)
Or is it like Conan said: &quot;That wich does not kill me makes me stronger&quot;? cool.gif <br><br>Thanks for everyones feedback.<br><br>

This is actually a Nietzsche paraphrase.


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Posted: Jun 20 2006, 09:47 AM
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Ah,

Let me make sure that my understanding's right that basicly you go through choline faster with piracetam-to counteract this you need a fairly good source of concentrated choline.

Which is why a choline supliment is recomended.


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Posted: Jun 20 2006, 10:13 AM
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That is correct.


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Posted: Aug 25 2006, 02:38 PM
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What are the dosing req's for Choline bitartate?


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Posted: Dec 10 2006, 12:20 AM
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I was wondering how much choline bitartate are like Stay Puft, but also how much Piracetam you use per dose, and how much each dose of both Piracetam and Choline Bitartate last?
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Posted: Mar 4 2007, 06:18 PM
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I started taking both piratetam and choline bitartrate a couple weeks ago. While the piractetum is dosed 3 to 4 times per day the choline does not say the same. SO I have only been taking the choline once. After reading though If increased piracetum requires more choline< i am guessing it would be wise to increase the choline as wel to 3 times. does anyone know what the different types of choline are made for and y bitartrate has the cost advantage? ALso is the dosing on the 1fast400 label accurate for both products? thanks
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Posted: Mar 7 2007, 04:08 PM
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from everything iv heard choline potentiates piracetam ALOT. Im about to start using choline with me aniracetam to see if it works with that as well.
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Posted: Apr 25 2007, 03:17 PM
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what's the recommended choline to piracetam ratio? I ordered some choline bitartate caps which are 300mg. one of those enough for a day or should i add more?
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Posted: May 15 2007, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE (black_squirrel @ Apr 25 2007, 03:17 PM)
what's the recommended choline to piracetam ratio? I ordered some choline bitartate caps which are 300mg. one of those enough for a day or should i add more?
*bump* for black_squirrel -- I'd be curious to know the answer as well.I've been on pira for over two weeks and haven't felt a (positive) thing. That was with a 9g per day for 4 days loading phase and at least 1.6g per day consistently for the past two weeks. My current daily stack: ~3.6g piracetam, ~670mg Choline Citrate, and 500 mg Choline Bitrarate. Should I crank the pira up fast or what? I don't want to leave negative feedback for pira if I am doing something wrong. But as far as I can tell, I'm following standard procedures. Help!!
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Posted: Oct 29 2007, 09:51 PM
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Has anyone experimented with how many Chlorine dosages they should take during the day? What generated the best results?
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Posted: Oct 29 2007, 10:43 PM
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Also what kind of choline should you take? is there a difference between all the different types?
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Posted: Oct 30 2007, 04:11 AM
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QUOTE (Debaser @ Jun 19 2006, 06:17 PM)
QUOTE (CDONDICI @ Jun 19 2006, 11:22 AM)
I tried piracetam before, and I didn't see much form it.

piracetam works for a lot of people. You just have to experiment. It took a good week before I started feeling the effects. I noticed an extreme increase in "creativity" while on it. However, I didn't like paying for choline, and I'd personally rather spend my money on other supps.

Yea i never really felt anything while taking it.

I guess ill have to be more dedicated when taking it!


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Posted: Jun 29 2008, 06:36 PM
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Every day that goes by, I'm becoming more and more enamoured with my new love: Piracetam! Because rather than tolerance making the doses less effective, I am finding them to last longer and longer. At first I would start getting a bit of mental tiredness about one hour before the next dose (I admit stretching the doses over way too long a time period - 5-5.5 hours instead of 4). Now I don't even notice a drop in the clarity or awakeness before my next dose.

In other words, this stuff is making lasting, functional changes to my brain, which means I just don't get mentally tired like I used to.

Its been eight days, but not once have I felt tired, at any moment in my waking hours, even at the end of long days of work and after repeated 2.00am nights. Yes, this stuff is God in powdered form, truly. My life is now clear, sharp, alert. Before I would get so tired working on my PC in the afternoons, I would constantly be falling into microsleeps. It was terrible. Btw. I've never used any caffeine or alcohol or prescription stimulants.

Best, no matter how late the dose, I can work 'till whatever hour then flop into bed and go to sleep right away. It doesn't interfere in the least with sleep, in fact sleep is deeper and more refreshing than ever, with significantly more brilliant dreams.

I did have to start eating egg yolks, due to the appearance on day three of an extremely mild headache (barely noticeable). Within two hours after eating six egg yolks, it was gone, permanently. I'm currently eating six raw egg yolks per day, and will cut back to four shortly. They're delicious, too.

I take 3 teaspoons a day, at these times:

1. 9.00a (or whenever I get up)
2. 4.00p
3. 9.00p

I'm just so amazed how my brain can really perform. This stuff is the most truly magical compound. The closest to a total genetic re-engineering of the brain, without having to do so.

Even better, it potentiates cannabis significantly for me (2x) and decreases negative side-effects!
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