6-OXO

Hey guys,
I am a 24 year old male, and a real hardgainer. I lift weights 2-3 times a week and do cardio 2-3 times a week to stay fit and as a recreation activity for 3 years.
Just want to gain some lean weight.
I would greatly appreciate any response concerning the use of 6-oxo as a stand alone product. Does anyone have relevant experience? What were the gains if any? What is an effective dose? How long one bottle lasts?
thanx

I have had no discernible effects. People constantly admonish us for trying these natural Test-boosters when you are only in your teens or early twenties. But when you're not into the PH thing you'll try anything and everything. So that's what I did. But that's why I'm telling you to save your money.

I'm just finishing up a bottle of 6-OXO, and I started stacking Vitrix in b/w and I'm sorry to say that the effects are minimal if any. I also have not had any negative side effects, such as increased acne, although I always had bad skin up until the last few years.

Perhaps I feel a slight boost in libido and energy, but I think you have to take these products for a while for them to really kick in.

Further, I began taking a slew of other supps including: ALA, ALCAR, L-Arginine, L-Glutamine, and now CEE. So I probably won't be able to pin point what effects I'm getting from any of them independently.

However, I will be continuing Vitrix throughout the summer to see how it works. Stacking 6-OXO is too much money; it only lasts for 20 days.

I would drop the idea of trying 6-OXO. It's really not worth it. If you are ambitious try SuperDrol, but that gives PH side effects.

Good luck.
-AY

Search and ye shall find...this topic has been covered time and again.

Then eat more.

FPot66

AYone,
thanks for responding and sharing your experience! It sounds like you saved me some $
Well, i guess i should stick to Z-force and long jack combo, which gives
me reasonably satisfactory results (don't consider it advertising).

Thanks for advice, I am kind of a newbie here. I guess we all ask the same questions over and over again

Well, my stats are: 5'11 and 160 pounds. I am closer to endomorph cause I have
high BF (around 17%) but at the same time my bones are really thin

I consume around 2500 cals day, 150 grams of protein, lots of good carbs and some fats. My bodyweight doesn't change at 2500 cals, but if I start intaking more - i gain fat quickly

It's really difficult for me to stuff myself with more food and gainers are not a good option.What should i do to get the lean gains? I would appreciate any constructive remarks

p.s. : just in case i train hard 3 times a week: legs/chest/back. Every workout is based on the basic exercise like squat, dead lift or incline press. Usually, i perform 5 exercises, 4 sets, 10 reps. I bench press 150 for 7 reps, i squat 150 for 10 reps, i lift 230 for 8 reps. I try to have at least 7 hours of sleep daily.

I think you have room to gain a lot more weight. You are pretty tall.

Try to seriously bulk up.

Up your protein intake. Don't eat too much fat. But don't neglect your carbs either.

Try working out at least 4 days. 3 days is just not enough. Keep doing power lifting type exercises, bench, squat, deadlift etc. You did not say anything about training your arms? If you are looking for a training program do some searches online or try the Max-Ot program which people seem to like.

It's hard to get lean gains right away unless you take PH's. Otherwise, you have to have patience. It could take you a few months to really see results.

However, since it's really summer time, maybe you just want to rip up for now??? Try some of those new fat burners like Sesathin, or whatever it's called.

-AY

thanks for the advice, AYone

yes, i do train my arms: bi's with back and tri's with chest/shoulders. i think my program is pretty good. i think i should start working for strength gains and lower the reps to 5-8 range. i can't train 4 times a week cause i am usually very sore.

i think intaking more food is the key, but i frequently have to stuff myself, and just can't eat any more. when i drink gainers i gain fat fast.

well, i guess i should go to the training part of the forum and start a new topic there?

yes, patience is the key

Come on bro! I don't want to come off mean. But unless you have a physical condition, you should not be so sore that you need 4 days off.

Working out 3 days on is just not enough. You need to build up your stamina and take more amino acids to help with recovery.

I'm sorry man, check out some training programs. You will not see many that have less than 4 day per week programs.

-AY

IMO Three days a week is only enough if your trying to maintain size and stregnth. If you want to gain lean mass and cut at the same time you need to be in the gym 5 times a week (2 days on 1 day off repeat)

You also aren't getting enough protien to gain good mass (up it to atleast 200 g) and don't use 6-oxo use Rebound XT

And if you are too sore (I also have this problem) get a solid creatine or some citrulline malate

AYone and Danger86, thanks for your responses!

I guess you persuaded me to experiment with frequency; i'll start a 4 day routine.
I think i would train:
day 1: back/bi's (dead lifts, pull-ups, shrugs, dumbbell rows, curls 4x10-8)
day 2: shoulders/tri's (military press/dumbbell press/lateral raises/dips/press-downs)
day 3: rest
day 4: legs (hack-squat/leg press/stiff leg deadlift/curls/calf raises)
day 5: chest (incline barbell press/regular dumbbell press/maybe flyes)

I'll train abs 2 times a week, 4 setsx20/25 reps, and maybe calves too.
I'll start drinking whey+dextrose shake - and i hope the increased workload will
prevent me from getting fat. I'll increase the protein intake.

Any ideas, criticisms?

p.s. i am taking aminos and zma to recover faster and it works
don't want to take creatine cause i am not sure if it is safe for kidneys
i don't take PH either

If I was going to do a body part alone, I would do back alone. Then do bi's with chest.

I have much more strength left for bi's after chest than after back, for obvious reasons.

The back is so massive, much more than the chest.

Your program seems like a power-lifting, circuit training type scheme. You barely do anything for arms. You need to spread out and expand your exercises. You definitely need to do more for arms.

Perhaps create an arms day.

You really need to do some research on and come up with some goals.

If you are working out only 4 days a week, you really need to hit the gym hard those days w/ every essential exercise.

-AY

Thanks for the advice AYone

training bi's with chest is a very good idea, i'll do that. but my arms are pretty big for my body, and total weight gain is my concern #1. i want some lean mass - i guess, 10-15 pounds in 2 months is a realistic goal, right?

4 days a week is an increase in volume for me, so i guess i would leave 5-6 exercises per workout max. i need at least to recover before i even start to grow. right?

i guess i go to the training part of the forum

thanks again and good luck

chamberlen,
i personally think 10-15 pounds of lean mass in two months is pushing it - especially if your not planning on using PH's. just so you know, most natural weight lifters (with the exception of using creatine or no2) will put on about 10-15 pounds of lean mass per year. so shoot high, but don't be discouraged if you can't get it that fast. 500 extra calories per day will add up to a pound a week, so if at 2,500 calories you're not gaining, than try 3,000 or 3,200 calories per day.

here are some tips for you:

when you eat, try to space it out evenly throughout the day instead of gorging yourself all at once.

the average person wont absorb more than 40 grams of protien per hour

going to the gym 5 times a week might be too much, depending on your routine.. rest is just as, if not more important than lifting when you want to make some gains. if you don't feel strong enough or dont feel like you have enough energy in the gym then you're probably need more rest

look at the nutrition facts of the food you're eating. you'll be less likely to get fat (and more likely to put on lean mass) if you eat 1-2 grams of protien per body pound, and also limit your calories from fat to about %25 of your total caloric intake

when you lift, stick with freeweights instead of using machines, as they stimulate more muscle fiber.

after you've warmed up, do 3-5 sets of 4-6 reps of the most weight you can possibly put up, but make sure you use good form on at least the first 4 reps. after you're satisfied with your size and the amount you can lift, then work on toning and endurance (i.e. sets of 10-12 reps)

switch up your routine at least every three weeks



my personal weight lifting plan is rather unorthodox, but i'll tell it to you anyways.. i only go to the gym 3-4 times per week (but i also do some cardio stuff outside the gym on off days)
day 1: abs, shoulders, arms, upper back, and chest
day 2: rest
day 3: calfs, hams, quads, lower back, thighs, groinal area, ass, abs and squats
day 4: rest (only if i feel i need it)
on day 1 i spend 3 hours in the gym, and on day 3 i spend about 1.5 hours (because i hate doing legs) my gains might be slower because i do it this way, but i do gain because i get enough rest in between (i don't like going to the gym every day)...

i just wanted to address a few things. sounds like you're going in the right direction with your training. as far as the superdrol and such. don't even think about it. not worth it for you. food is what you need. and with the fats, someone said stay away. this is WRONG. fats are a good thing. 9 cals/gram also. so eating more GOOD(this is the key) fats will be necessary to upping your cals. i'm 6'1 190 and clean bulking, i takin in approx. 320g protein, 500g carbs, 100g fat. i take in 4200 cals. i'd say start at 3K and move on up. if you're putting on fat, you're not taking in your P/C/F from the right sources!! sounds like you have a date with the nutrition section and the stickies over there.

Hey, not sure if you're still checking this post, but I figured I'd thow in my $0.02. When I graduated high school, I was 5'9" and 125 lbs. Now I'm 5'10" and a steady 150, and I am the DEFINITION of a hardgainer, I promise. I'm on a new lifting routine that has really made a difference in my strength, and I'm definitely seeing gains. It's a day on, day off routine, like a Mon/Wed/Fri routine.

Day 1: Deadlifts, Pullups, Seated Rows, Preacher Curls, abs
Day 2: Rest, and eat like a mofo
Day 3: Flat bench, Military Press, Dips, Incline Bench, abs
Day 4: Rest, eat eat eat
Day 5: Squat, Leg Press, Leg extensions, Calves, abs
Day 6: Rest
Day 7: Rest

If you're concerned about gaining fat over lean muscle mass from eating so much, DON'T lower your intake, just add cardio on rest days, like day 2 and day 4. Focus on getting your rep range between 6 and 8. As soon as you can get 8 reps for all 4 sets of an exercise, bump the weight up 5 pounds and do 6. Rinse and repeat. This workout schedule basically centers each day on a big powerlift, and works all the supporting muscles of that lift each day. I've found that with a 3 day routine, you're less likely to burn out and plateau. Sure, you could work out 5 days a week, but for making big gains, you're really working against yourself. When you gain the mass you want, and want to focus more on developing each muscle group, or if you're trying to get ripped up, go for that 5 day routine.

Hope this helps.

brOwer, NikZ, shane81488, AYone, DANER86 - thank you so much for your responses! i found many of your recommendations useful!

well, just in case you wanna know how everything worked out for me:
i was following the original program for 3 weeks (that program is described in the tread). then i started to feel that i am overtraining, so i added a rest day after each workout. i dropped some exercises. when i felt slightly tired i would do only 4 exercises per workout. i would stick to really basic moves, and try to lift a bit more weight every workout or squeeze an extra rep with the same weight.

talking about the diet: i was consuming about 2800-3000 spread between 4 or 5 meals. i drank whey and casein shakes to make sure i get as much protein as possible.

i gained 7 pounds during these 2 months which is a very good result for me. it's not 7 pounds of lean muscle, but it's not fat either. i would say it's at least 50/50.
i grew stronger, especially talking about my back and legs. i am stronger now in pressing moves too, but the progress in my upper body is less than in my lower body. my friends notice a difference. i am glad that i made progress, but i am not satisfied totally. i noticed that some muscles on the right or left side became stronger/larger than their counterparts. i guess, i'll try to balance them now

p.s. i read a really cool book recently. it's "serious strength training" by T. Bompa
and it covers the basics of periodization. i wish i read it when i just started.

good luck to everybody!

Problem with this guy is he is not consuming 40 grammes of glucose and 15 grammes of protein after he works out. and then 2 hous after 40 grammes of protein and some carbs (complex)

this guy is not eating right after he finishes. if you eat right you wont be sore. i never have sorness next day and im almost on my way to gianing 30lbs in 2 months with NO2 and CE2 only!

This guy also overtrains when he should be training 3 times a week doing just squats, upright rows, bench press and pull ups. 3 sets of 10 or if he wants to go for a more ffective workout then more emphasis on negatives so 2 sets for each exercise.

there is a lot more i could say but not for a begginer's eyes and ears.

[QUOTE=IKnowEverything,Nov 1 2005, 11:59 AM] ..... and im almost on my way to gianing 30lbs in 2 months with NO2 and CE2 only!

do you eat anything at all?
30 pounds of what?


i do have postworkout shakes (whey+dextrose).
considering rest - it depends, i give myself up to 2 days of rest between workouts. i told in the thread that i felt i was overtraining.
rest is important, i know it now.
i am a minimalist in my approach now.

Jesus, bump from the dead.

fat is easlily to get rid of