Does any one else have problems with sleeping well (deep sleep, for 6 hours or more, without disruption) at night if you exercise in the evening?

I'll post my own observations and conclusions on why this occurs and solutions to this problem if there is sufficient interest.

Yes.

I usually remedy it personally with a small dose of glutamine &/or 5-HTP.

Of course, there are also other drugs that accomplish the trick too, although I can't say I really care to dose tons of shit right before bed-- I do enough of that over the course of the day.

Best single solution-- Lot's and lot's of sex...

I generally prefer workouts earlier in the day, this is one of the reasons.

As far as sleep aids, trazodone is the only thing that consistently works for me, 95% of the time or more at least.

Try Taurine, for some people is a great sleep aid. 5-10grs before bed or spread during the day should do it.

how do yall feel about Melatonin?

It worked for me but stopped working after a while. Also I would wake up and find it hard to go back to sleep after about 4 hours of sleep.

By all means post your observations. I have had problems with this as well. I like some of the suggestions so far, specifically the last part of Loki's.

Depending on what time i have to be up at, 5-10 grams of L-Glutamine does it for me,.

Yes, i sometimes workout, a full weight training session, and 45 minutes of kickboxing at 3am. I cannot fall asleep then untill 6. But i do have medications which work great for sleep. Remeron, is probably , IMO, the best sleep medication there is, because it is an antidepressant, anti-anxiety, and sleep inducer all in one. THe drawback is hunger. YOu get very hungry due to the 5ht3 receptor blockade. But this can be positive, because it virtually takes away nausea.
I also have tried ambien, which knocks you out fast, but i never get an 8 or more hour sleep on it. 5 hrs tops. Trazadone i never tried, but it is not as potent as remeron.
I have yet to try valerian, passion flower, chamomile etc, (herbal sleep combo), but due to my anxiety from my ADD medication, i need a strong med to get me to sleep.

Anyway, i dont see much sleep inducing properties with 5 htp. Possibly with L-tryptophan, but i never tried it. I take numerous natural remodies, along with medication. So i have to be careful what i take, some can interact with eachother. I cannot tolerate ephedra, it sends me into a panic attack. But adderall, which i take for add, doesnt cause such periferal anxiety like ephedra. And if one is taking ephedra, they will have a terrible time trying to sleep.

Iv used GHB but got too addicted to it. But it was great for post work outs. But i wont go there.

I shall post more with any knowledge i have to offer.

neuromind

Hey Trouble,

Per your last post, yes, I would like info on it. I'm going to be working out at night, and I'm sure the 5htp will do well for me as well. I haven't tried it yet. Turns out a friend is using it during the day with no drowsiness.

Thanks

TopSec




Does any one else have problems with sleeping well (deep sleep, for 6 hours or more, without disruption) at night if you exercise in the evening?

I'll post my own observations and conclusions on why this occurs and solutions to this problem if there is sufficient interest.

I've tried several sleep aids, and I am most partial to 5-HTP.

When you get into a regiment of intense training the brain and nervous system may become conditioned to produce less tonic brain waves. This can potentially cause sleeping disorder or chronic "light sleep" where you do not feel fully rested. Certain detoxification and regenerative processes only occur when brainwaves slow to alpha and theta levels. The more tonic the more concentrated and thus more restful the sleep you experience.

The way you chose to solve this issue is your personal choice. I found permanent relief through Raja Yoga (and Kevala Pranayama), part of which involves learning to induce a state of conscious-sleep. In this state there are no dreams but it is different then deep sleep in that you don't need to enter subconsciousness (or unconsciousness). You are completely self aware, not to be confused with body-aware, which you are not. You can potentially induce lucid dreams, but in my experience this is more restful then dreaming, so I don't bother.

The experience itself is delicious, as few hours is enough to forgo the typical night's sleep. I often replace regular sleep with this method; especially prior to very intense, prolonged cardio or when I must produce more work then my time schedual would normally allow.

Just some friendly advice,

-Lite

I have sleep problems to begin with, exercising at night almost always quarantees me a few more restless hours. I've tried it all, OTC's and prescription. OTC's are spotty at best. Ambien knocks me out but then I'm up again a few hours later, use this time for a MRP and some milk. Trazadone is almost 100% effective for me but for the first few times I'm walking around the next morning kinda buzzed. I have also had some luck sparking some weed a few hours before bedtime.

lite12

Im going to give 5htp a try for sleep-aid. When do you take it? I have just started an ephedrine/caffeine stack and its disrupting my sleep. The only thing that got me a full nights sleep while on the E/C stack is when I smoked a bowl with a friend of mine. Funny that marijuana is so good for so many things yet it is illegal. Anyways, Im no pot head so I cant smoke weed every night..lol. Anyways, what dose of 5HTP and when do you take it?

Many thanks!

TJ

You reefer addict...lol.

What time of the day are you taking your last dose of EC? And how long have you been on it now?

I started at 150mg per day spread out in three doses of 50mg, and then later upped it to 300mg per day with better results.

You'll get mixed advice on whether to take a large hit before bed or to spread it out evenly, but since your CNS is going to be humming from the Ephedine/Caffeine combination, I think spreading it out with more emphasis on the evening doses will be more effective.

Hope it works for you too = )

-Lite

Hey Trouble,
I've been a chronic insomniac for 10+ years. I've been through sleep lab tests and have taken everything legal and barely legal (All the herbs, Val Root, Kava; benzo's, antideppresants, antihistamines, even GBL products when they were legal for a few years.)
I stick with Ambien nowadays. I did try some L-tryptophan. A store in Colorado called Maximum Nutrition (719) 584-2243 has started carrying it. He said the ban was lifted is now an OTC product. I bought a bottle from Olympia Labs and it worked okay. I didn't think it worked as well as the L-tryptophan from back in the 80s before the ban. It may be that I've become a more severe insomniac. I started reading a book entitled "No More Sleepless Nights" and it has helped. Attacks the problem of sleeplessness at a different level, mental versus chemical or physical.
I have recently, since beginning of this month, started working out in the evenings after work. I started a cycle of 2 methyls, M-Dione and M4OHN, so I quit drinking alcohol after work. The workouts were making falling asleep difficult at first, even with a dose of Ambien. But I quit doing cardio and try to do cardio either in the morning or my lunch break and that has helped me to wind down easier.
You might want to try some real L-Tryptophan instead of the 5-HTP. Don't bother with the GBL substitutes like Solar Water or the new Renutient, big rip-offs, strongest thing in them is the antihistamines.
LOL

That would be counter-productive since L-Tryptophan's benifits are derived from it's conversion into Serotonin; a neuroconnector in the brain responsible for sense of well being, temperature control, visualization and concentration abilities and sedation of the organs; all of which are required for restful sleep.

One problem is that L-Tryptophan requires other neutrients present in order to convert to Serotonin. Even when taking multiviatamins/essential oils to combat this problem, there comes a point where carriers will become saturated, and any additional L-Tryptophan is just excreted as solid waste.

More importantly, L-Tryptophan converts to 5-HTP before it can be taken up as Serotonin. By supplementing with 5-HTP you avoid one step of the conversion process and saturation becomes much less of an issue.

The only complaint I have is that 5-HTP is rediculously expensive when purchased locally, about $20 for 50tbx50mg.

-Lite

I've been an insomniac for atleast 10 years (im 22). More then not sleeping, it's falling asleep. Once I'm out I can sleep easily for 6-12 hours, depending on if I set the alarm... lol

Lately, I've been working out from 915-1100pm. No cardio, just weights. And its been horrible, im on a bulking phase so I have no ecy stacks or anything that would get my ansy. I just cant fall asleep. I ordered 5-HTP im going to try that.
I've tried Ambien, and that works great, but I cant take it everyday cus I heard its very addictive.

Im subscribing to this thread.

EDIT: Also now that I think about it, one thing ive been doing lately is using that feeling of lethargy after a large meal to help me get sleepy.