What do you all think about this lil inccedent?

http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/si...ory/html/160240

That's pretty gnarly...I wonder what the heck he did wrong. It was all kind of vague thought. Well, now I know what to do if my piss turns black

For all of you the link is right here: http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/160240

if that doesn't work, peice it together like this:
http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/

sited/story/html/160240

Just add those to lines together up in your address bar to form the complete URL.

Anyway, I'd be very curious to hear from anyone who knows anything about that subject, I take creatine, I understand creatine is safe, but this particular case is odd; the guy was growing a second femur!!

Anyway, here's a nice rebuttal to that article, it's about the safety and benefits of creatine: [url=http://www.ontariowrestling.com/creatine.html]

Kinda scary stuff... but there's so much scientific research proving how safe creatine is. This poor guy must have had some serious medical issue not being able to cope with the additional supplement.

I hate to link to t-mag, but I found an article there that might possibly help to explain what happened in this case.

Here's an excerpt:

And here's the entire article:
Dangerous Creatine

Thats great info. thanks for posting. I am currently using two supps that contain one or both. Im not taking any chances with my health and im dumping them both.

He trained hard: two hours each morning and then again in the evening. The regimen was working. At one point, the 5-foot 9-inch Starkovich weighed 215 pounds with 2 percent body fat. His biceps had grown by nearly three inches. When he flexed, the striations in his muscles where visible. He also was dieting hard to bring his weight down and further sculpt his body.



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lmao, 2%? 3 inches on the biceps?!! What bloody creatine is he taking?
I've never even heard of a steroid doing that much
Maybe .1 on the biceps but 3 inches.....I wonder how much they cut up that story.

Glad that I could help. Spread the word and make sure that no one you know is taking creatine with GPA or G-amine.

What a bunch of BS

This wasn't caused by creatine per se. Creatine is perfectly fine if you have healthy kidneys (as evidenced by quite a few studies, including ones on long-term creatine users). However if you have a kidney disorder or impaired kidney function, creatine can worsen the condition. I am sure that this guy had an existing disorder which may have been exacerbated by his creatine supplementation. If your piss is black you should obviously see a doctor. 2% bodyfat is pretty unhealthy, and that could've been a contributing factor to organ failure as well. He may have had undiagnosed kidney disease. Who knows? Point is that the creatine wasn't the primary cause.

Regarding GPA/GAA. I wrote an article on GAA which pretty much says the exact same thing. Here: http://www.bulknutrition.com/?ingredients_id=39. And yeah, GPA is pretty much the same but worse. I don't think toxicity is a major concern if you are taking extra creatine as well. But the real question is why bother? When you look at the other ingredients in those products (Swole, V12) it's nothing special. You can homebrew it for half the price. Creatine, taurine, alpha lipoic acid, and any other options feel necessary - glutamine, arginine, dextrose, etc. This is my "homebrew creatine replacement" (from an article):

Creatine mix
Now Creatine Powder, 500 g (1/2 container)
Now Dextrose, 2 lbs.
1Fast400 Taurine Powder, 150 g
1Fast400 Alpha Lipoic Acid, 1-2 capsules (taken separately)

This offers 100 servings of 5 g creatine, about 10 g dextrose, 1.5 g taurine, and 300 mg ALA – only the best ingredients, and at about half the price per serving as most "creatine replacement" products. Each serving should be approximately 5 teaspoons.

"...he remembered from highschool when he had tried the creatine..."

Ya, and he had been playing the foosball (Waterboy)

Total BS

Creatine or creatinine levels well 9000? huge difference and it's a huge difference in compounds.

Creatinine:
http://www.transweb.org/qa/qa_txp/faq_creat.html
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/ar...0results%20mean

A little off from the current conversation topic, but i thought i'd put this post under the creatine side 'affects' forum anyway...

I've noticed that when I take creatine my, uh, libido drops off noticeably. I've heard of this happening to other people but I'm not sure exactly why this should happen, going by what I've read about creatine. (and its definitely the creatine, the only other time i used it was 2 years ago and the same thing happened).

Would an arginine supplement help?

What do you mean by libido?

Creatine might positively influence your ability to maintain a firm erection. I've heard of it being used effectively as an erection aid, for example.

There are a lot of other factors that will contribute to a non-functioning member. Stress, poor diet, exhaustion, alcohol, are a few.

If by libido you mean sexual urges then I would rule out Creatine as the problem. Usually, testosterone and/or fatigue are responsible and the effect Creatine has on both of these is nill.

-Lite

gained 3inches on his biceps, 5'9 215, 2%BF, if its true, it wasnt creatine he was taking.......

Sorry about the vague 'libido' term. Desire was actually not a problem, but physical capability in that department (i.e. being able to get a woody) became somewhat of a problem after i started taking creatine. I definitely am convinced it was the creatine, I stopped taking it a little over a week ago (after being on it for only a week) and the problem has gone away...

Like I said, the only other time that ever happened to me was 2 yrs ago when i also started taking creatine. No heavy stress in either instance.

I also had a friend's wife (emabarrassingly for him) tell me something like that happened to him when he was taking creatine (more info than i needed to hear, but she totally brought it up on her own). Admittedly, my friend's problem may have had more to do with the crazy wife than the creatine. But it got me thinking that maybe more people have this problem than you would think, but for the most part, guys would rather not talk about NOT being able to get it up, even if they can blame it on a supplement.

Not that I definitely wouldn't use creatine again, it had a lot of good effects, but I'd probably just be sure to stack it with an arginine product next time around. Mostly, I am just curious as to why this would happen, from a scientific standpoint.

From the article:

"The surgeons began cutting out the dead muscle out of his legs. In its place, new bones began to grow. That, too, had to be cut out, he said. Even now a second femur bone lies close to the skin in his upper left leg. Rapping it with his knuckle, it sounds like a piece of hard wood. It has to come out. There are other bone growths, too. One almost poked through his skin before it was removed."

If creatine can cause the bone growth like this (a whole second femur in less than six moths no less!) it would be one of the most promising and useful drugs ever...

true.. that story is fuckin bullshit and if u try to click the links it has been completely 100% removed...


that happened for a reason, creatine is harmless

idiot... its gone cause its posted 3 years ago. Look at the freakin date.

You almost sounded smart kdubs

hmmmm..